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My bad experience with unethical beautician

4everlove — Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:54:24 +0800

Hi everyone,

My main goal opening this thread is so the victims know what to do and what is the options available if you suffered from facial skin issue after the facial treatment. There are many types of beauticians, mainly all of them are friendly and smiley when things is right, but what happens when something goes wrong after the facial. Some beauticians will admit, apologise, willing to pay Dr’s fees or try to make the customer feel better emotionally as the customer already suffering negative reaction after facial. Some will deny their fault, full stop. And some beautician, the most shocking type, will deny and even accuse back the customer. Then this type, you must be willing to fight and stand up for yourself.

I have sued a senior beautician who is also one of the Director of the company due to negligence. All this while, she ask me to use the proper channel (law) to solve this case, and when I officially file the lawsuit at Small Claims Court, then she said better for her to save lawyer’s fees.

- I knew this beautician a long time for normal facial. Went to her and was strongly recommend chemical peeling (CP) due to pimple mark. I ask her do I need it as my skin only pimple mark. Mislead me by saying CP no acid, and side effects only redness and peeling. Next day, my skin feels rough/bumpy, she brought me soothing gel. 10 days later, she said another round of CP is required to solve the issue, that 2nd time CP can remove the rough stuff on my face. I asked her what happening to my skin, she unable to answer.

- My skin diagnosed as dermatitis by doctors. And what actually happened after the 1st time CP is my skin is inflamed/irritated, and the beautician’s failure to recognize it, and put 2nd time CP makes my skin more irritated and tight (skin’s natural moisture and protective barrier is gone)

- She said not her fault. That Doctor also using her CP product. But doctor won’t put 2nd time CP on an inflamed skin mahh. Dr will recognize irritation and won’t damage it further.

It is just a waste of time to talk when one keeps denying and spinning the truth. Evidences, this is very important. I have photos before and after CP, my skin is smooth and only pimple mark before, and do not have skin dermatitis/irritation/inflammation during consultation and b4 CP. Other beauticians and beauty centre managers told me that CP have acid, and what the beautician did is wrong, she cannot put 2nd time peeling on an inflamed irritated skin after the 1st time CP. Doctors said side effects of CP is not only redness and peeling, and beautician must recognize complications and know to handle it when complications happen. My case is the beautician do not recognize it, and negligently damage it further by putting 2nd time CP.

Besides photos, you also need doctor’s records/reports, other beautician’s records/witnesses, just gather more evidences as possible. She is outside the doctor’s office but do not go in with me due to she is busy, she refuse to go meet Datuk Seri Michael Chong of MCA Public Complaints department when being requested by his assistant, and she choose to pay me back when all this while, she ask me to use law method to solve this case. One wonders why she talk so loud behind me but is so hesitant to face to face with me in front of authority (doctor, politician, judge).

What one can do when experiencing side effects/complications of facial treatments/meet with unethical beauticians:

- Go to Wisma MCA and meet with Datuk Seri Michael Chong, and see what they can do

- Go to http://npra.moh.gov.my/
I make a complaint with aduanproduk@moh.gov.my and after further investigation at their side, was told that the chemical peeling product used on my skin is No Notification/Not registered with MOH! (Ministry Of Health). The beautician even told me that doctors is using their product. Raids was conducted at their branches in Malaysia last year by Pharmaceutical Enforcement agency.

- Go to Consumer Tribunal Claims – this is not for compensation. This is only for refund/repair/replaced. You cannot get back any Dr’s fees via Consumer Tribunal

- Go to Small Claims Court (max rm5k). You represent yourself and the beautician needs to hire lawyer due to they are a company

Address of Small Claims Court:
Bahagian Tuntutan Kecil
Pejabat Pendaftaran Mahkamah Rendah
Aras 2 Sayap Kiri
Kompleks Mahkamah Kuala Lumpur
No Tel: 03-6209 4198

Type a summary of your case and then go there and fill up necessary form. A hearing date will be email to you, and you have to serve the letter to the defendant. And then the defendant needs to serve you back their defence within a time period, if not case can be postponed.

You need to spend time and more time, and be persistent if you want justice. Prepare/gather all evidences. Do not be afraid to stand up for yourself/for the truth/for justice. The one who is guilty is the one who should be afraid. Customer won’t suddenly wake up with inflammation/skin dermatitis, important questions when and how it happen, what happen, backed up with photos evidences, as well as witnesses/experts.

I hope the info above can help bad facial treatment’s victims. I really do not want any gals be helpless and don’t know what to do, and these unethical beautician who is the one strongly recommend CP, who lied to customer CP no acid, who put 2times CP on customer’s skin and customer suffer from skin issue, and at the end, these type of beautician is the one accusing back that it is the customer’s issue. What a really scary world we live in when twist and spin can just be told, where is the conscience. I am fortunate I have evidences to show before and after as well as other evidences/witnesses. If I do not have any evidences, I can only watch helplessly.

The beautician even questioned me why don't I blame other beauticians and why doctors cannot cure me. I cannot simply blame other beautician because they are not the one causing me skin dermatitis. My skin dermatitis is right after 1st time and 2nd time CP. How can anyone go to sleep in peace by simply blaming others for the sake of blaming. As for why Doctors cannot cure me, they are doing what they can, I certainly won't blame doctors, they are helping me, not harming me. It takes just a little while to damage the skin, and the skin may never be back to the original state. Maybe the beautician can ask herself why the damage happen in the 1st place, and don't shift the blame to customer, doctors, and other beauticians. What a scary lady.

And ladies, be very careful what some beautician said during consultation. Doesn’t matter whether she is someone you know for a long time, or is a new beautician. Unethical beautician will mislead you and by the time you are told the truth by other beauty centre managers/doctors, it is too late. I have go through a long battle in search for justice, it is a really tiring journey but absolutely worth it. I hope no gals will fall victim to bad beauticians or go in circle not knowing what to do if they unfortunately meet with bad beauticians. No one, no one wants to walk in to a beauty salon with smooth healthy skin, and end up with skin disease/complications. God bless everyone.

Do PM me if you need more info or you really bad luck kena with such bad beautician and feel helpless, I will try to guide you. I do not know everything but I will try to share the little things that I have experienced. I am not a lawyer, and if you choose to hire a lawyer for a civil case, then do speak with a lawyer for further advise. Thank you.

how to check for a case's details

4everlove — Wed, 17 May 2017 11:49:08 +0800

Hi,

I want to check for a lawyer's contact detail for a particular case. I have contacted Malaysia bar council and was told he is unable to check it as the Number I call is complaint department, and he also don't know where to check for the details.

http://www.theborneopost.com/2011/05/21/bo...t-beauty-salon/

I want to know the lawyer's contact/law firm/name who helps the boutique owner/Lim Wah Kiau. Thank you for those who can help/give guidance.

Need recommendation

4everlove — Sun, 26 Mar 2017 05:53:43 +0800

Hi,

I would like to enquire if any of you have hire a lawyer against beauty saloon? If you do, can u pls kindly PM me the process/procedures, as well as the name/contact details/charges to me as well. I am in the process of hiring a lawyer, thus will need all this information. Or if u know any good lawyer who take on such case, do PM me their contact, thank you.

Summary: Did a treatment, bad result. End up with Dr visits. As usual they dun admit their mistake and very confident that i will lose.

Protopics ointment

4everlove — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 19:06:03 +0800

Hi all,

Was recommended to use Protopics on the face by dermatologist. Would like to seek review and advise from those who experience using this b4.
I understand the first few application will be slight burning and itchy, my main question is does it solve your skin issue, and after stopping to use it, does the problem returns?

I was given steroid 1% to use for a week, find it about 40% useful. But after stopping to use it, those bumps returns.
My face have something like the pics below. It is raised rough bumps, it is noticeable under sunlight/lighting.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/f01.justanswer.com...15_img_0361.jpg

http://0.tqn.com/w/experts/Dermatology-101...-red-facial.jpg

WTA on small claim lawyer service

4everlove — Tue, 17 Jan 2017 09:39:57 +0800

Hi, i would like to know if any of you have contact details of lawyer who handle small claim issue. It is against beauty salon.
I will want to contact the lawyer to check/ask further. Thx.

WTS Kose Sekkisei Lotion and Emulsion

4everlove — Thu, 22 Sep 2016 19:41:12 +0800

Item(s): Kose Sekkisei Lotion 500 ml and Kose Sekkisei Emulsion 70ml

Package includes: Kose Sekkisei Lotion 500 ml and Kose Sekkisei Emulsion 70ml and 1 packet of lotion mask

Price: Bought at rm331.70. Now selling at rm280. Outside is selling at rm331.70 just for the Lotion 500ml alone. In this package, there is one packet of lotion mask as well.
Pls PM for best price.

Warranty:

Dealing method: COD/Pos

Location of seller: cheras, klang valley area

Contact method/details: PM

Age of item: 7 days

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Item(s) conditions: Good. Still in box

Picture: I dunno how to take picture, but Kose fans will know the packaging as the link below:

http://www.kose.com.my/sekkisei/product/se...l/sekkisei.html (The lotion that i have is for 500ml)

http://www.kose.com.my/sekkisei/product/se...l/emulsion.html (The emulsion that i have is 70ml)

Reason for sale: Wrongly bought and impulse buying.

How to upload picture in the topic

4everlove — Sun, 20 Mar 2016 13:42:37 +0800

Hi all,

I am selling a watch at the Garage Sales. I upload the photo from Photobucket, and it is in Winzip now at the topic. Ppl have to go in and download/open the Winzip, only they can view the watch.

How can I make the picture as in, ppl can view the picture outside (before opening my topic), and ppl can straightly view the picture (inside the topic) when they click on my topic (without the need for them to click Open/download the picture)?

Kindly guide me step by step, as it took me quite some time to upload the Winzip files in the topic.

Thank you.

Seiko watch

4everlove — Sun, 20 Mar 2016 04:52:32 +0800

Item(s): Seiko Ladies watch

Package includes: warranty, box

Price: rm 584.40 (after 20% discount given by the shop), PM me your offer

Warranty: yes, 1 year

Dealing method: COD, Klang valley

Location of seller: Cheras

Contact method/details: PM

Age of item: Bought 19 February 2016[attachmentid=6202482]

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Item(s) conditions: Great. Wore it twice

Picture: as per attached

Reason for sale: Prefer metallic watch

WTS Seiko watch

4everlove — Sun, 20 Mar 2016 04:35:59 +0800

Item(s): Seiko Ladies watch

Package includes: warranty card, package box

Price: Original price: rm584.80 (after 20% discount by the shop). U offer me your price (PM me)

Warranty: Yes, 1 year

Dealing method: COD, Klang valley area

Location of seller: Cheras

Contact method/details: PM me

Age of item: Bought 19 February 2016

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Item(s) conditions: Great. Wore it twice

Picture: has attached already, pls let me know if unable view the attachment, thx

Reason for sale: Prefer a metallic watch[attachmentid=6202481]

any badminton session today

4everlove — Thu, 13 Aug 2015 13:38:06 +0800

Hi all,

any game ON tonight at cheras area (shamelin area, or nearby).
For below average, beginner level.
Do let me know, thx.

Looking for badminton kakis at cheras (Shamelin)

4everlove — Fri, 26 Dec 2014 20:57:17 +0800

Hi all,

Any beginner group at cheras that I can join? Shamelin/ Pandan Jaya/Pandan Indah/Maluri. Preferably Friday after work around 9pm and on Saturday afternoon.
I am strictly beginner level, so i certainly can't play with average/above average player, plus i seldom exercise, so i dun have much stamina.

How to change mandarin to cantonese

4everlove — Wed, 07 May 2014 18:54:23 +0800

Hi,

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjk0MDk0NTIw.html

For a show such as above, it's a TVB drama supposed to be in cantonese, but when view in this website, it is in Mandarin, n i dun understand mandarin and can't read chinese, is there a way or setting for me to view it in its original language which is cantonese? Thanks.

Dengue fever

4everlove — Wed, 23 Apr 2014 10:48:32 +0800

Hi,

I am diagnosed with dengue. I'm not sure what's it called, i think is blood platelets is normal. So, i dun have to go hospital. Will see the clinic dr again tomorrow and check on the blood platelets again. The dr told me that if blood platelets didn't drop and is on the normal side, and if my fever is no more fever, and if my bone didn't ache anymore, then I dun have to be admitted to the hospital at all.

I just want to ask, is it true? Coz i thought dengue must be admitted to the hospital, if not how can 'destroy' this dengue which is already inside your body. Can anyone with the knowledge advise me?

WTS Loccitane Shea Butter Hand cream

4everlove — Wed, 21 Aug 2013 01:44:44 +0800

Item(s) Locittane Shea Butter Hand Cream
http://shop.nordstrom.com/s/loccitane-shea...d-cream/2885807

[b]Price: RM80 (fix price). The original price is rm110.

Dealing method: COD only

[b]Location of seller: COD at Cheras Leisure Mall, can PM for more details on other suitable location

[b]Contact method/details: PM

[b]Age of item: Bought it end of July 2013

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[b]Item(s) conditions: Used it only 2 times, I used it very little. Still left 99.9% inside.

[b]Reason for sale: I bought other Locittane products and regret buying so many. This item is 99.9% brand new, but no boxes coz i throw it away d. This is the best price i can give coz it's just a few weeks item, and only used very little 2 times. This product is a must have for those Locittane's fan and who often buy this product.

Quickly grab it, only one. It's 150ml, the largest one.

Car Pool

4everlove — Wed, 24 Jul 2013 05:47:39 +0800

Hi,

I'm just wondering if there's anyone with car travelling on weekdays morning from Pandan Perdana/Shamelin area to KLCC/Citibank area and from that area back to Cheras during the evening, where i can pay for some of the petrol? Kindly PM me, thx.

WTB CPU

Thu, 01 Jan 1970 07:30:00 +0800

WTB CPU

4everlove — Tue, 23 Jul 2013 01:25:25 +0800

Hi,

I'm a Noob in computer stuff. My PC is very slow, and always hang. I wanna buy a new CPU for everyday normal use, surfing the internet and watching movies/dramas. Can anyone recommend me which shop to go at KL or Low Yat, and also to help me set it up at my hse? I dun want kena tipu or charged way above for things that I dun need. Just need a CPU for basic normal use. If anyone of u could recommend me the shop name/place/ppl to look for, it'll be great. Kindly advise, thx.

WTA: Study design p/time course

4everlove — Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:52:00 +0800

Hi,

I've a friend in his 30's working as wardrobe installer who is interested in studying Interior Design part time short course. He dunno English and dun have the SPM Cert. Anyone know whether there're school or colleges in KL which teaches in Chinese on weekends? Does he need to study about the computer software 1st or the software part will be taught too during the Interior Design study? Thx for advise.

Study design p/time course

4everlove — Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:38:59 +0800

Hi,

I'm asking on behalf of a friend. He's in his 30's, working as a wardrobe installer. He'll like to study part time course in interior design, just that he dun have the SPM Cert and dun speak/read English. Is there any college/school/tuition centre where he can study this courses part time and the courses is being taught in Mandarin/Chinese language? N must he know how to use the software 1st b4 studying the course or the software part will be taught alongside the design course? Thx for advise.

Klinik Kesihatan Pergigian Tang Lin

4everlove — Tue, 30 Nov 2010 21:24:41 +0800

Hi, for the past weeks, my left teeth is pain when chewing food. Maybe need to do filling on that teeth. If do it at private clinic, i think it's above rm80. I don't mind the waiting time queeing up at govt clinic, i just wanna know if it's good. I meant is the dentist is professional or is it student who's doing the job, and may I know how much? Thx.