http://forum.lowyat.net/ Thu, 04 Jun 2026 19:15:31 +0800 FeedCreator 1.7.2 http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4105923 <b>Item(s):</b> Xigmatek Loki<br /><br /><b>Package includes:</b> Box and Brackets<br /><br /><b>Price:</b> 50<br /><br /><b>Warranty:</b> 1 week<br /><br /><b>Dealing method:</b> COD to Klang,Subang or Shah Alam only / POSTAGE<br /><br /><b>Location of seller:</b> Klang, Subang Jaya, Shah Alam<br /><br /><b>Contact method/details:</b> PM / Whatsapp - 0123382304<br /><br /><b>Age of item:</b> 2 months <br /><br />Loki Compatibility <br /><br />Intel : LGA775/ 1156/ 1366/ 1155/ 1150<br />AMD : FM2/FM1/AM3+/AM3/AM2+/AM2.<br />Heat Sink Base : H.D.T. (Heat-pipe Direct Touch)<br />Fin Material : Aluminum<br />Heat-pipe Size : F6mm<br />Material : Copper<br />Fan : Fans installed 1 fan preinstalled with the option of 2<br />Life Expectancy : 40,000 hours<br />Fan Size : 92mm<br />Speed : 1200~2800 R.P.M.<br /><br /><b>Item(s) conditions:</b> Good, few fins dented a bit, but wont affect performance, good performance, not noisy <br /><br /><b>Picture:</b> [attachmentid=7981805]<br /><br /><b>Reason for sale:</b> Not using anymore, upgraded xshiro Casings &amp; PSUs Garage Sales Tue, 08 Nov 2016 16:39:44 +0800 http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4084279 <b>Item(s): Gigabyte GTX 650 OC 1GB DDR5</b><br /><br /><b>Package includes: Card Only</b><br /><br /><b>Price:SOLD</b><br /><br /><b>Warranty: 1 week</b><br /><br /><b>Dealing method: COD / selfcollect / POSTAGE </b><br /><br /><b>Location of seller: Subang Jaya, Shah Alam, Klang</b><br /><br /><b>Contact method/details:PM , whatsapp : 0123382304</b><br /><br /><b>Age of item:Not sure, bought secondhand from another user, prolly 2013. </b><br /><br />---<br /><br /><b>Item(s) conditions: Very good, played Crysis 3 with playable framerate. </b><br /><br /><b>Picture:</b><br />[attachmentid=7835813]<br />[attachmentid=7835818]<br />[attachmentid=7835821]<br /><br /><b>Reason for sale:Upgrade</b> xshiro Display Cards Garage Sales Sun, 16 Oct 2016 16:55:24 +0800 http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3968076 Item(s): Kingston 2GB x 2 DDR2 800mhz<br /><br />Package includes: Ram only 2 pieces<br /><br />Price: rm80, rm40 each<br /><br />Warranty: personal <br /><br />Dealing method: COD / Postage<br /><br />Location of seller: Klang, Shah Alam, Subang Jaya<br /><br />Contact method/details: PM<br /><br />Age of item: unknown<br /><br />Item(s) conditions: working good<br /><br />Picture : Soon xshiro RAM Garage Sales Mon, 06 Jun 2016 23:33:20 +0800 http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3963290 <b>Item(s): Palit GT 730 DDR3 2GB </b><br /><br /><b>Package includes: Card Only</b><br /><br /><b>Price: SOLD</b><br /><br /><b>Warranty: One Month, refund </b><br /><br /><b>Dealing method: COD / Postage</b><br /><br /><b>Location of seller: Subang Jaya/Shah Alam/ Klang</b><br /><br /><b>Contact method/details: PM </b><br /><br /><b>Age of item: 2 Years</b><br /><br />---<br /><br /><b>Item(s) conditions: Working, using now</b><br /><br /><b>Picture: Soon </b><br /><br /><b>Reason for sale: Upgrade</b><br /><br />GT 730 has 2 chipset type, Kepler (64bit) and Fermi(128bit)<br /><br />this one is Fermi. xshiro Display Cards Garage Sales Wed, 01 Jun 2016 15:25:17 +0800 http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3959780 <b>Item(s):</b> Sapphire HD 4850 512MB<br /><br /><b>Package includes:</b>Box<br /><br /><b>Price:</b>50 nego<br /><br /><b>Warranty:</b>Personal 1 month, any defect will get refund<br /> <br /><b>Dealing method:</b>COD<br /><br /><b>Location of seller:</b> Subang Jaya/Shah Alam/Klang<br /><br /><b>Contact method/details:</b> PM<br /><br /><b>Age of item:</b>cant remember <br /><br />---<br /><br /><b>Item(s) conditions:</b> used, good<br /><br /><b>Picture:</b> soon<br /><br /><b>Reason for sale:</b> clear store xshiro Display Cards Garage Sales Sat, 28 May 2016 01:45:53 +0800 http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3956893 <b>Item(s): HDMI to VGA converter</b><br /><br /><b>Package includes:</b><br /><br /><b>Price:20 </b><br /><br /><b>Warranty: One week</b><br /><br /><b>Dealing method:COD </b><br /><br /><b>Location of seller:Shah Alam , Klang, SUbang Jaya</b><br /><br /><b>Contact method/details: PM , Whatapps - 0123382304 </b><br /><br /><b>Age of item: 1 month, just used once </b><br /><br />---<br /><br /><b>Item(s) conditions: good </b><br /><br /><b>Picture: [attachmentid=6709001]</b><br /><br /><b>Reason for sale: not using anymore </b> xshiro Computers Garage Sales Wed, 25 May 2016 10:52:23 +0800 http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3908207 <b>Item(s):</b> Cosair XMS2 6400 512MB x 4pcs. <br /><br /><b>Package includes:</b> <br /><br /><b>Price:</b> 30<br /><br /><b>Warranty:</b> personal <br /><br /><b>Dealing method:</b> COD<br /> <br /><b>Location of seller:</b> Klang, Shah Alam, Subang Jaya<br /><br /><b>Contact method/details:</b> PM<br /><br /><b>Age of item:</b> 7-6 years<br /><br />---<br /><br /><b>Item(s) conditions:</b> gooding, overclocking is gooding<br /><br /><b>Picture:</b> [attachmentid=6262080]<br /><br /><b>Reason for sale:</b> clear store xshiro RAM Garage Sales Tue, 29 Mar 2016 15:59:26 +0800 http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3908196 <b>Item(s):</b> Thermaltake Bigwater 735 - for LGA775 and AMD K8 <br /><br /><b>Package includes:</b> water pumps, radiators and water reservoirs, cpu heatsink, bracket LGA775 and AMD K8<br /><br /><b>Price:</b> rm50<br /><br /><b>Warranty:</b> Personal<br /><br /><b>Dealing method:</b> COD<br /><br /><b>Location of seller:</b> Klang, shah alam, subang jaya<br /><br /><b>Contact method/details:</b> PM or whatsapp - 0123382304<br /><br /><b>Age of item:</b> 7-6 years<br /><br />---<br /><br /><b>Item(s) conditions:</b> water pump is functioning<br /><br /><b>Picture:</b> Soon<br /><br /><b>Reason for sale:</b> to clear store<br /><br />Product Description : -<br />Users can utilize the socket LGA1366 upgrade kit without buying a new cooler<br />- World 1st liquid cooling system supports ATX / BTX motherboard <br />- Application for Intel P4 , LGA775 ,Intel BTX platform and all AMD K8 , AM2 series <br />- Remarkable 120mm Radiator: <br />- High performance radiator with a 120mm silent VR fan(1300 ~ 2400rpm). <br />- Superb Liquid Pump with 400 L/hr: <br /> 1. Silent and powerful P400 pump provides superb reliability <br /> 2. The pedestal can be secured onto the case by screws <br /> 3. The ceramic bearings significantly extend the life-expectancy of the pump <br /> 4. Thoughtful inlet and outlet design prevents air blocks from the water flow <br />- Exceptional Liquid Tank : <br /> 1. High capacity liquid tank capable of holding 350c.c. of liquid for continuous usage <br /> 2. Easy to refill <br />- Second-to-none Copper Water Block : <br /> 1. With blue LED acrylic covering illuminates the CPU <br /> 2. Increased number of water channel within the water block greatly enhances the thermal efficiency <br /> 3. Circle base of water block is applicable to BTX motherboard xshiro Computers Garage Sales Tue, 29 Mar 2016 15:48:53 +0800 http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1912511 [center]<span style='font-size:16pt;line-height:100%'><b>PROTON SAGA BLM &amp; FL CLUB V13</b></span>[/center]<br /><br />[center]<img src='http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/73434_10150118655909377_635529376_7680472_6139545_n.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />[/center]<br />[center]credit: calvin[/center]<br /><br />[center]<span style='color:black'><span style='font-size:15pt;line-height:100%'><b>Proud owner of Proton Saga BLM in LYN</b></span></span><br /><!--SPOILER BEGIN--><div class="spoilertop" onClick="openClose('549c9ea63444fd1edb4a7866fcb3b36e')" style="font-weight: bold"><u>&raquo; Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... &laquo;</u></div><div class="spoilermain" id="549c9ea63444fd1edb4a7866fcb3b36e" style="display:none"><!--SPOILER END-->1.3 AUTO<br /><!--SPOILER BEGIN--><div class="spoilertop" onClick="openClose('88cda8ee18d9675945a2be45cd0c3ee3')" style="font-weight: bold"><u>&raquo; Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... &laquo;</u></div><div class="spoilermain" id="88cda8ee18d9675945a2be45cd0c3ee3" style="display:none"><!--SPOILER END-->1. hlyshgrsyd | Metallic Black - M-Line<br />2. MR_alien | Metallic Black - M-Line<br />3. wut2du | Metallic Black - M-Line<br />4. nagasie | Metallic Black - M-Line<br />5. -storm- | Metallic Black - M-Line<br />6. jeremymoke | Mountain Blue - M-line<br />7. PACINO | Mountain Blue - M-Line<br />8. hnrychong | Genetic Silver - M-Line<br />9. ching4ever | Genetic Silver - M-Line<br />10. Xp3rT | Genetic Silver - M-Line<br />11. babylck | Genetic Silver - M-Line<br />12. jimmy1977 | Metallic Black - M-Line<br />13. ProX | Genetic Silver - M-Line<br />14. bobby85 | Metalic Black - M-Line<br />15. azzamiken | Granite Gray - M-Line<br />16. zuraidi |Metallic Black - B-Line<br />17. Aishiteru^Suki | Metalic Black - B-Line<br />18. shinjite | Unknown Colour - Unknown Spec<br />19. cfng76 | Granite Gray - M-line<br />20. Bibby - Genetic Silver - M-line<br />21. four_add - Genetic Silver - M-line<br />22. Darkmage12 - Genetic Silver - M-line<br />23. xshiro - granite grey - M-line<br />24. ivanau88 - granite grey - M-line<br />24. night23 - Genetic Silver - M-line<br />25. dj2004 - Genetic Silver - M-line<br />26. nobita | Granite grey | M-line<br />27. ShuQy | Metallic black - B-line<br />28. console | Metallic black - B-line<br />29. MetalIronWood | Granite grey - M-line<br />30. lennon_87 | Metallic black - M-line<br />31. Newgen | metallic black - M-line<br />32. danny_sp15 | genetic silver - M-line<br />33. alwynchunn | metallic black - M-line<br />34. dreams_achiever | Metallic black - M-line<br />35. alexwsk | Chilli Red - M-line<br />36. charles899 | metallic black - M-line<br />37. jaya_pc87 | Genetic silver - M-line<br />38. wshiong89 |Genetic silver - M-line<br />39. mooze | Mountain blue - M-line<br />40. akkihiko | Metallic black - M-line<br />41. DarkTenno | Solid White - M-line<br />42. zarakiken | Genetic silver - M-line<br />43. sonotme | Solid white - M-line<br />44. klng72 | Blueberry tea - M-line<br />45. s[H]sIkuA | genetic silver - M-line<br />46. C2KBAS2005 | solid white - M-line<br />47. tednet | granite grey - M-line<br />48. nenekbodo | granite grey - B-line<br />49. alien3d | metalic black - B-line<br />50. Leo the Lion | solid white - M-line<br />51. aidlover | genetic silver - M-line<br />52. ayieazz | Solid White - M-line <br />53. Invader Zim | Genetic Silver - M-line <br />54. lemon~ | Metallic Black - B-Line<br />55. Aria_Sacho | Granite Grey | M-Line<br />56. adrianteddy | Metallic Black | M-Line <br />57. tHe^CuLpRit | Granite Grey | M-line<br />59. +Newbie+ | Granite Grey | M-Line<br />60. FormalCat | Granite Grey | M-Line<br />61. Koyok | Solid White | M-Line<br />62. gxianfu | Solid White | N-Line<br />63. x_kink | Solid White | M-line<br />64. manubis | Blue Rock | FL Executive<br />65. dagreatdzul | Solid White | M-Line<br />66. breaker84 | Solid White | M-Line<br />67. had_hc | Solid White | FL Executive<br />68. Pepper | Metallic Black | FL Executive<br />69. gajahwhite | solid white | M-Line<br />70. pravred | genetic silver | B-Line<br />71. Cloudx | Metallic Black | M-Line<br />72. k_eyezax | Solid White | FL Executive<br />73. jeffro | Genetic Silver | FL Executive<br />74. Aishinka | Tranquility Black | FL Executive<br />75. Kibs | Metallic Black | M-Line<br />76. Rajivsm | Blue Rock | FL Executive<br />77. zeone | Solid White | FL Executive<br /><!--SPOILER DIV--></div><!--SPOILER DIV--><br /><br />1.3 MANUAL<br /><!--SPOILER BEGIN--><div class="spoilertop" onClick="openClose('7e026228f0ae53298a9b18e9453f94a7')" style="font-weight: bold"><u>&raquo; Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... &laquo;</u></div><div class="spoilermain" id="7e026228f0ae53298a9b18e9453f94a7" style="display:none"><!--SPOILER END-->1. voyager86 | Metallic Black - M-Line<br />2. lambofgod | Metallic Black - M-Line<br />3. hugo_chong | Metallic Black - M-line<br />4. suiteng | Mountain blue - M-Line<br />5. briggs | Genetic Silver - M-Line<br />6. SiuYi | Genetic Silver - B-Line<br />7. zenox0123 | Granite Grey - M-Line<br />8. nazri86a | Granite Grey - B-Line<br />9. GunMetalX | solid white - M-Line<br />10. Wuakaka | Metallic Black - B-Line<br />11. Conan86 | Granite Grey - B-Line<br />12. tcmean | Genetic Silver - M-Line<br />13. NicJolin | Metallic Black - M-Line<br />14. dB7 | Genetic Silver - M-Line<br />15. sAm fIsher | Solid White - M-Line<br />16. maevox | Solid White - M-Line<br />17. circus_clown | Granite Grey- M-line<br />18. torresism | Silver- M-line<br />19. Vincent_A8fm | Solid white - M-line<br />20. djboycalvin | Solid White - B-Line<br />21. limping | solid white - m liine<br />22. almostthere | Granite Grey - B Line<br />23. koboimalaysia | mountain blue - B Line<br />24. someone_stupid | granite grey - M-line<br />25. kaizou | solid white - M-line<br />26. seanlimys | genetic silver - M-Line<br />27. nern@h | genetic silver - M-Line<br />28. wypua | mountain blue - M-line<br />29. l3iTi | Granite Grey - M-Line<br />30. acronyx | genetic silver - M-line<br />31. CyberKewl | genetic silver - M-line<br />32. coolkwc | granite grey - B-line<br />33. yellow_label2207 | granite grey - M-line<br />34. maxizanc | genetic silver - B-line<br />35 azxer666 | metallic black - M-line<br />36. cressalve |solid white - M-line<br />37. green_apple granite grey - B-line<br />38. omara86 | solid white - N-line<br />39. sakit | Genetic Silver - M-Line <br />40. billy520 | Solid White - B-Line<br />41. Pman | Solid White - M-line<br />42. Pvd | Metallic Black | M-line<br />43. Beastboy | metallic black | M-line<br />44. sohailili | metallic black | m-line<br />45. jsnkok | Solid White | B-Line<br />46. Xiong | Metallic Black | B-Line<br />47. xiaoboyzyang | Cafe Latte | FL Standard<br />48. ericmaxman | Tranquility Black | M-Line<br />49. khiat999 | Rock Blue | FL Standart<br /><!--SPOILER DIV--></div><!--SPOILER DIV--><br /><br />1.6 FL Automatic<br /><!--SPOILER BEGIN--><div class="spoilertop" onClick="openClose('9fbefcfbf902fd71fc9d289cc6946661')" style="font-weight: bold"><u>&raquo; Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... &laquo;</u></div><div class="spoilermain" id="9fbefcfbf902fd71fc9d289cc6946661" style="display:none"><!--SPOILER END-->1. barnhammer<br />2. Shahtrughna <!--SPOILER DIV--></div><!--SPOILER DIV--><br /><br />1.6 LIMITED RED<br /><!--SPOILER BEGIN--><div class="spoilertop" onClick="openClose('e71ce8535b5ba2b4eca2b9317f80cb5b')" style="font-weight: bold"><u>&raquo; Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... &laquo;</u></div><div class="spoilermain" id="e71ce8535b5ba2b4eca2b9317f80cb5b" style="display:none"><!--SPOILER END-->1. toucan<br />2. helangkawi<br />3. ZYen<br />4. ikean<br />5. Nexsus<br />6. ichigotai<br />7. Bojek<!--SPOILER DIV--></div><!--SPOILER DIV--><br /><br />1.3 SE<br /><!--SPOILER BEGIN--><div class="spoilertop" onClick="openClose('629b95e6a7db46fc63f0561464b3ed86')" style="font-weight: bold"><u>&raquo; Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... &laquo;</u></div><div class="spoilermain" id="629b95e6a7db46fc63f0561464b3ed86" style="display:none"><!--SPOILER END--><br />1. lonewolf86 | Solid white<br />2. Enclave Recruit | Solid white<br />3. solrey | Solid white<br />4. m3tabolic515 | Brilliant Red<br />5. niu_niu | Brilliant Red<br />6. LukeMjstc | Brilliant Red<br />7. Raxlin | Brilliant Red<br />8. narhazz | Brillant Red<br />9. isone | Brillant Red<br />10. claxxion | Brillant Red<br />11. AmeiN | Solid White<br />12. Kent Goh | Solid White <br /><!--SPOILER DIV--></div><!--SPOILER DIV--><!--SPOILER DIV--></div><!--SPOILER DIV--><br /><br /><span style='color:black'><span style='font-size:15pt;line-height:100%'><b>Proton Saga BLM price and specifications</b></span></span><br /><!--SPOILER BEGIN--><div class="spoilertop" onClick="openClose('ce1a2b39268b4745256d680bd7072dad')" style="font-weight: bold"><u>&raquo; Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... &laquo;</u></div><div class="spoilermain" id="ce1a2b39268b4745256d680bd7072dad" style="display:none"><!--SPOILER END--><br /><b>Price watch from Proton Edar</b><br /><br /><img src='http://images03.olx.com.my/ui/10/01/02/1293121794_150019902_2-NEW-PROTON-SAGA-FL-1300cc-MANUAL-STANDARD-VERSION-Klang.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /><br /><br />Proton Saga FL Standard 1.3MT (S) at RM37,548<br />Proton Saga FL Standard 1.3MT (M) at RM37,998<br />Proton Saga FL Standard 1.3AT (S) at RM40,548<br />Proton Saga FL Standard 1.3AT (M) at RM40,998<br />Proton Saga FL Executive 1.3MT (S) at RM40,248<br />Proton Saga FL Executive 1.3MT (M) at RM40,698<br />Proton Saga FL Executive 1.3AT (S) at RM42,848<br />Proton Saga FL Executive 1.3AT (M) at RM43,298<br />Proton Saga FL Executive 1.6AT at RM46,549<br /><br />*updated on March 2011, please check with <a href='http://www.proton-edar.com.my/saga-spec-5.aspx' target='_blank'>&gt;&gt;this&lt;&lt;</a><br /><br /><!--SPOILER DIV--></div><!--SPOILER DIV--><br /><br /><span style='color:black'><span style='font-size:15pt;line-height:100%'><b>Previous Proton Saga BLM Thread</b></span></span><br /><span style='color:red'><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/522644' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V1</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/643569' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V2</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/696396' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V3</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/726496' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V4</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/779496' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V5</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/876847' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V6</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/984100' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V7</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1075033' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V8</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1198140' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V9</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1322955' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V10</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1529764' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V11</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1783040' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V12</a><br /></span><br /><br /><span style='color:black'><span style='font-size:15pt;line-height:100%'><b> JOIN THE BLM CLUB HERE</b></span></span><br /><a href='http://www.blmclub.co.cc' target='_blank'><img src='http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x69/siuyilee/1_899334956l.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /></a><br /><span style='font-size:16pt;line-height:100%'><b>JOIN US NOW, DON&#39;T WAIT&#33;&#33;</b></span>[/center]<br /><br />[center]<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'><b>BLMClub is now on FACEBOOK &amp; FRIENDSTER&#33;&#33;</b></span><br /><br /><a href='http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=71887551808' target='_blank'><img src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_pTRnPKZQ-Ps/SbPFmhESjOI/AAAAAAAAAEk/rHwurt4l-v0/s320/Facebook+small.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /></a><a href='http://www.friendster.com/blmclub' target='_blank'><img src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_pTRnPKZQ-Ps/SbPFm5-1BCI/AAAAAAAAAEs/G4Lrq40FvuE/s320/friendster+small.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /></a>[/center]<br /><b><br />Review and Comparison</b><br />If you are new in buying and selecting a car between myvi and BLM,<br />kindly read the nice info given by our CyberKewl ( a driver and owner for both myvi and BLM)<br /><br /><!--SPOILER BEGIN--><div class="spoilertop" onClick="openClose('e326d2a9266af2d2026ed0fdbe110566')" style="font-weight: bold"><u>&raquo; Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... &laquo;</u></div><div class="spoilermain" id="e326d2a9266af2d2026ed0fdbe110566" style="display:none"><!--SPOILER END-->Ok here we go. I&#39;ll start with some simple pros and cons first for each car.<br /><br />Myvi Pros<br />- Its from perodua, expect a high(er) level of QC compared to proton, they follow japanese work style and their service centres are good<br />- Good FC straight from the moment you get the car, low engine noise level, relatively decent NVH (noise,vibration,harshness) levels.<br />- Low maintenance, highest I ever paid for maintenance was about 300 + for a major service.<br />- Power wise, I have only driven 1.0, so I cannot comment much on power, but the 1.0 power is sufficient for city drive but on highways or hill tops, it really is underpowered. Able to go to genting without issues although you have to turn off the aircond and the drive up is really quite painful due to the power to weight ratio of 1.0. I think for 1.3 should not have any issues<br />- High end myvi has dual airbags, ABS, EBD and also optitron meter panel which is nice.<br />- Very very easy to drive and park the car.<br />- NO BOOT LAMP&#33;&#33; This is the drawback to this car although you could DIY, but there&#39;s no boot lamp at all. The daihatsu version has it, I have no idea why they didn&#39;t add this in.<br />- Overall good space and legroom even for tall people.<br />- 4 Power windows<br />- Has TWO trip meters. The trip meter is useful for checking distances or for calculating FC and you get two in myvi.<br />- Big center console area and very deep glove box for storage purposes. Big plus for those who like to keep stuff. Also, the storage area at the door is deep enough to fit your touch and go card or car park cards, etc).<br />- Huge side mirrors. I really liked myvi&#39;s huge side mirrors, they really cover a lot of the blind spots and you can see more of the vehicles that are coming from the left or right side of you.<br /><br />Myvi Cons<br />- Lousy stereo sound when compared with Saga. The different is HUGE.<br />- Poor handling on corners due to size of the car and height of it, feel like it wants to tip over.<br />- On high speeds of 120 KM/H above (i&#39;ve heard both 1.0 and 1.3 have this same issue, so its not about the engine power), the whole car feels floating and not stable at all, feel very dangerous. The light steering wheel doesn&#39;t help either, you have to hold on really tight with both hands at those speeds otherwise you will swerve to other lanes and end up in an accident<br />- Small boot space compared to Saga, but myvi has 60:40 foldable seats, so that helps a bit, but you wont be able to have passengers at the back seat if you do that.<br />- Dashboard materials easily get dirty and scratched (my old myvi got some dirt stains that couldnt come out with any cloth or detergent i used).<br />- Aircond not as cold as Saga&#39;s (my colleagues sat in my old myvi before, and then they sat in my saga, they said my new saga&#39;s aircond is cold - at the REAR seats). Basically from what I read, saga&#39;s aircond distribution around the car is good, even better than the previous version of vios (04/05 version).<br />- Lousy horn (i call it &quot;chicken&quot; horn). Some may not be bothered with this, but it matters to me, the horn is just too...girlish for me. Sounds like a &quot;polite&quot; way to say &quot;hoi&#33;&quot;....but that&#39;s just me.<br />- Expensive when considering that its a hatchback car, but no doubt its a good quality car with minimal problems.<br />- Myvi is basically what they call a &quot;butless&quot; car, when in an accident, the damage can be very severe for the passengers as the front and back of the car is short with no protection. Only the front dual airbags can save the front, but what about the back?<br /><br />Lets move on to saga<br />Saga Pros<br />- Good looking sedan car with Audi look-a-like front and mercedes c-class back. You will never be able to find another car that has this kind of look at this kind of price&#33;<br />- Good stock stereo. I was blown away by saga&#39;s stereo when comparing with myvi&#39;s, the sound is just so much different even with the stock player.<br />- Very stable car at high speeds (from what i&#39;ve been told). I only managed to go up to 120 km/h as I don&#39;t want to overstress the car and also I didn&#39;t have enough road space, so I couldn&#39;t go further than 120. But I can tell you, the car is really really stable.<br />- Excellent handling especially during corners, I managed to go through some pretty tight corners at 80km/h compared to the SAME corner in myvi about 50-60km/h. Saga feels very stable.<br />- Good suspension, the place where I stay in has lots of uneven roads, bumps and holes. Compared with myvi, the saga went through all that with relative ease and I didn&#39;t really feel them when i&#39;m in the car, compared with myvi.<br />- Large boot space (415 litres if not mistaken or 55+ durians..haha). Saga has a really large boot if you compare with myvi. However, there&#39;s no 60:40 foldable seats, which is a waste because that&#39;ll be a great addition.<br />- Aircond is really cold even on level 1 and the aircond distribution to the whole car is good, everyone in the car can feel the aircond which is great.<br />- Cheapest sedan car you will ever find in the market. You can get a M/T car for 39000 or A/T car for 41498 with one driver&#39;s airbag (m-line spec). Now that&#39;s value for money.<br />- Comparing with myvi, headroom is slightly less but legroom and interior width is more or less same as myvi. That is what my colleagues told me.<br />- I was initially under the impression that insulation in saga is worse than myvi, but I feel that the insulation (apart from engine noise) is pretty good if not better than myvi (surprising).<br />- Has a boot lamp&#33; Compared to myvi, saga AT LEAST has a boot lamp. Thank god proton didn&#39;t cut this one out.<br />- Front and back of Saga is much longer than the myvi hatchback, so logically when it comes to accidents, saga is safer DESPITE the fact that saga onyl has single airbags.<br /><br />Saga Cons<br />- No ABS,EBD or dual airbags (only single airbag) even at current high spec (m-line)<br />- High clutch for manual transmission (i&#39;m not sure if I should consider it as a con, previously when I drove myvi, the clutch release is really short, for saga I have to release it at least 80% before I can move the car or switch gears). I&#39;m somewhat used to it now though. The high clutch does however have one advantage - the chances of the &quot;engine dying&quot; is much much less.<br />- Proton&#39;s hit and miss QC issues still plague saga, so far my car is at the moment ok except for the handbrake which when i release it, i have to release it fully properly, otherwise it will go back up a bit, and the handbrake light goes on the meter panel. I&#39;ve been told that I could just adjust the screw (tighten it) but I have not done it yet.<br />- I&#39;ve been told that proton&#39;s service centres are lousy (depending on location) and that the maintenance cost is quite high. This is in comparison with perodua cars.<br />- FC wise I have not been able to fully test as from my understanding, proton cars don&#39;t have good FC when come out from factory. Curently my FC is not at all good, I&#39;ve pumped RM 45 and now my car has already gone 200 KM with only 2 bars remaining (I pumped the RM 45 petrol from shell when there was 1 bar remaining). This is left to be seen.<br />- Noisy campro engine. The campro engine is really really loud but my colleague who drives a satria neo says he likes the sound, feels more like a man&#39;s car.<br />- Only 2 front power windows and back power windows are old fashioned &quot;pully&quot; type like kancil and kelisa. Back windows don&#39;t go down completely due to the design of the car and was touted as a &quot;safety measure&quot; for kids. No issues to me though.<br />- No optitron meters for current highest spec of saga (m-line). However, I don&#39;t mind that and I really really liked the meter panel especially during night time, it has this cool glass-like feel at night. Not sure how to explain this.<br />- Saga only has 1 trip meter compared to myvi&#39;s two. To me, it is fine, but some may prefer two for FC calculation on 1 and the other for calculating distances from places.<br />- Small glove box and center console area (below single-din player), can&#39;t put that many things.<br />- The storage compartment on the doors in saga is not deep enough to fully cover the touch and go card or access cards. I find this quite irritating at time when i&#39;m driving, there&#39;s the sound of the plastic hitting against each other due to this. Myvi&#39;s one is deeper.<br />- Smaller sized side mirrors but sufficient enough to catch vehicles coming from the sides. Most sedan cars have similar sized mirrors.<br /><br />Ok that&#39;s pretty much all I can remember and think of. The above is the total UNBIASED different between the two cars as I have owned both of them. I&#39;m not paid by proton and just do this to allow the public to make an informed decision on which car to buy. Now after the review, I shall address everyone&#39;s most important question - which car to buy ? This is very simple. You should make the call. When I bought myvi back in 2005, saga was not out yet, otherwise I might have considered saga. If you want a car with a big boot, just go for saga without question. But put everything you see in both cars as what you want, then decide which car to buy. If you&#39;re ok with the small boot and the unstable floaty feel of myvi at high speeds and also the somewhat-overpriced hatchback, by all means, go ahead with myvi. Otherwise, go with saga. Please put QC into your consideration too. If you buy saga, please do NOT expect it to have QC as good as perodua, there&#39;s no way you will ever get that with a SEDAN CAR at that price. When I decided to buy saga, I told myself knowing full well that proton&#39;s QC is a hit and miss affair and that there&#39;s potential problems with the parts in the car, some noises in the car, etc, so I just choose to accept that fact. Because if I want a sedan car at that price, I can only go for proton. THere&#39;s no other way. BTW, myvi is actually a good city car due to its size and light steering. But if you want something in between, saga is better as it is more stable at higher speeds.<br /><br />So the conclusion is, know what you want and decide carefully. Do not regret after buying the car. There&#39;s been a lot of bashing on proton everywhere in forums, kopitiams, etc. I am one of them too, but after reading and fully understanding the issues, I decided to give proton a try. This is my FIRST proton car. I believe they&#39;ve come a long way with this car compared to the first saga. So I told myself, lets give them a chance and SEE FOR MYSELF rather than just blindly bashing proton. Oh and take note that FC for auto versions of both cars are different. Many said saga&#39;s FC (for auto especially) is pretty bad (but it depends on your right foot and also driving conditions like traffic jams, etc). Please do readups upon readups before you buy either car. Then align it with what you want in a car, then just buy it. Hope this helps.<br /><br />By CyberKewl<!--SPOILER DIV--></div><!--SPOILER DIV--><br /><br /><b><br />IAFM Info</b><br /><!--SPOILER BEGIN--><div class="spoilertop" onClick="openClose('28269f7bf1ff318a5d36141c1a8aeea4')" style="font-weight: bold"><u>&raquo; Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... &laquo;</u></div><div class="spoilermain" id="28269f7bf1ff318a5d36141c1a8aeea4" style="display:none"><!--SPOILER END-->[attachmentid=2264497]<!--SPOILER DIV--></div><!--SPOILER DIV-->` xshiro The Fast &amp; The Furious Fri, 10 Jun 2011 09:00:03 +0800 http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1783040 [center]<span style='font-size:16pt;line-height:100%'><b>PROTON SAGA BLM &amp; FL CLUB V12</b></span>[/center]<br /><br />[center]<img src='http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/73434_10150118655909377_635529376_7680472_6139545_n.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />[/center]<br />[center]credit: calvin[/center]<br /><br />[center]<span style='color:black'><span style='font-size:15pt;line-height:100%'><b>Proud owner of Proton Saga BLM in LYN</b></span></span><br /><!--SPOILER BEGIN--><div class="spoilertop" onClick="openClose('0c6c192daeef6676881ed3259d9339e6')" style="font-weight: bold"><u>&raquo; Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... &laquo;</u></div><div class="spoilermain" id="0c6c192daeef6676881ed3259d9339e6" style="display:none"><!--SPOILER END-->1.3 AUTO<br /><!--SPOILER BEGIN--><div class="spoilertop" onClick="openClose('bbbbe34582d7f0c21095ecc0a24bfe28')" style="font-weight: bold"><u>&raquo; Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... &laquo;</u></div><div class="spoilermain" id="bbbbe34582d7f0c21095ecc0a24bfe28" style="display:none"><!--SPOILER END-->1. hlyshgrsyd | Metallic Black - M-Line<br />2. MR_alien | Metallic Black - M-Line<br />3. wut2du | Metallic Black - M-Line<br />4. nagasie | Metallic Black - M-Line<br />5. -storm- | Metallic Black - M-Line<br />6. jeremymoke | Mountain Blue - M-line<br />7. PACINO | Mountain Blue - M-Line<br />8. hnrychong | Genetic Silver - M-Line<br />9. ching4ever | Genetic Silver - M-Line<br />10. Xp3rT | Genetic Silver - M-Line<br />11. babylck | Genetic Silver - M-Line<br />12. jimmy1977 | Metallic Black - M-Line<br />13. ProX | Genetic Silver - M-Line<br />14. bobby85 | Metalic Black - M-Line<br />15. azzamiken | Granite Gray - M-Line<br />16. zuraidi |Metallic Black - B-Line<br />17. Aishiteru^Suki | Metalic Black - B-Line<br />18. shinjite | Unknown Colour - Unknown Spec<br />19. cfng76 | Granite Gray - M-line<br />20. Bibby - Genetic Silver - M-line<br />21. four_add - Genetic Silver - M-line<br />22. Darkmage12 - Genetic Silver - M-line<br />23. xshiro - granite grey - M-line<br />24. ivanau88 - granite grey - M-line<br />24. night23 - Genetic Silver - M-line<br />25. dj2004 - Genetic Silver - M-line<br />26. nobita | Granite grey | M-line<br />27. ShuQy | Metallic black - B-line<br />28. console | Metallic black - B-line<br />29. MetalIronWood | Granite grey - M-line<br />30. lennon_87 | Metallic black - M-line<br />31. Newgen | metallic black - M-line<br />32. danny_sp15 | genetic silver - M-line<br />33. alwynchunn | metallic black - M-line<br />34. dreams_achiever | Metallic black - M-line<br />35. alexwsk | Chilli Red - M-line<br />36. charles899 | metallic black - M-line<br />37. jaya_pc87 | Genetic silver - M-line<br />38. wshiong89 |Genetic silver - M-line<br />39. mooze | Mountain blue - M-line<br />40. akkihiko | Metallic black - M-line<br />41. DarkTenno | Solid White - M-line<br />42. zarakiken | Genetic silver - M-line<br />43. sonotme | Solid white - M-line<br />44. klng72 | Blueberry tea - M-line<br />45. s[H]sIkuA | genetic silver - M-line<br />46. C2KBAS2005 | solid white - M-line<br />47. tednet | granite grey - M-line<br />48. nenekbodo | granite grey - B-line<br />49. alien3d | metalic black - B-line<br />50. Leo the Lion | solid white - M-line<br />51. aidlover | genetic silver - M-line<br />52. ayieazz | Solid White - M-line <br />53. Invader Zim | Genetic Silver - M-line <br />54. lemon~ | Metallic Black - B-Line<br />55. Aria_Sacho | Granite Grey | M-Line<br />56. adrianteddy | Metallic Black | M-Line <br />67. tHe^CuLpRit | Granite Grey | M-line<br />69. +Newbie+ | Granite Grey | M-Line<br />70. FormalCat | Granite Grey | M-Line<br />71. Koyok | Solid White | M-Line<br />72. gxianfu | Solid White | N-Line<br />73. x_kink | Solid White | M-line<br />74. manubis | Blue Rock | FL Executive<br />75. dagreatdzul | Solid White | M-Line<br />76. breaker84 | Solid White | M-Line<br />77. had_hc | Solid White - FL Executive<br />78. Pepper | Metallic Black - FL Executive<br />79. gajahwhite | solid white - M-Line<br />80. pravred | genetic silver - B-Line<br />81. Cloudx | Metallic Black - M-Line<br /><!--SPOILER DIV--></div><!--SPOILER DIV--><br /><br />1.3 MANUAL<br /><!--SPOILER BEGIN--><div class="spoilertop" onClick="openClose('7077f336090486192a295d0a542c190f')" style="font-weight: bold"><u>&raquo; Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... &laquo;</u></div><div class="spoilermain" id="7077f336090486192a295d0a542c190f" style="display:none"><!--SPOILER END-->1. voyager86 | Metallic Black - M-Line<br />2. lambofgod | Metallic Black - M-Line<br />3. hugo_chong | Metallic Black - M-line<br />4. suiteng | Mountain blue - M-Line<br />5. briggs | Genetic Silver - M-Line<br />6. SiuYi | Genetic Silver - B-Line<br />7. zenox0123 | Granite Grey - M-Line<br />8. nazri86a | Granite Grey - B-Line<br />9. GunMetalX | solid white - M-Line<br />10. Wuakaka | Metallic Black - B-Line<br />11. Conan86 | Granite Grey - B-Line<br />12. tcmean | Genetic Silver - M-Line<br />13. NicJolin | Metallic Black - M-Line<br />14. dB7 | Genetic Silver - M-Line<br />15. sAm fIsher | Solid White - M-Line<br />16. maevox | Solid White - M-Line<br />17. circus_clown | Granite Grey- M-line<br />18. torresism | Silver- M-line<br />19. Vincent_A8fm | Solid white - M-line<br />20. djboycalvin | Solid White - B-Line<br />21. limping | solid white - m liine<br />22. almostthere | Granite Grey - B Line<br />23. koboimalaysia | mountain blue - B Line<br />24. someone_stupid | granite grey - M-line<br />25. kaizou | solid white - M-line<br />26. seanlimys | genetic silver - M-Line<br />27. nern@h | genetic silver - M-Line<br />28. wypua | mountain blue - M-line<br />29. l3iTi | Granite Grey - M-Line<br />30. acronyx | genetic silver - M-line<br />31. CyberKewl | genetic silver - M-line<br />32. coolkwc | granite grey - B-line<br />33. yellow_label2207 | granite grey - M-line<br />34. maxizanc | genetic silver - B-line<br />35 azxer666 | metallic black - M-line<br />36. cressalve |solid white - M-line<br />37. green_apple granite grey - B-line<br />38. omara86 | solid white - N-line<br />39. sakit | Genetic Silver - M-Line <br />40. billy520 | Solid White - B-Line<br />41. Pman | Solid White - M-line<br />42. Pvd | Metallic Black | M-line<br />43. Beastboy | metallic black | M-line<br />44. sohailili | metallic black | m-line<br />45. jsnkok | Solid White | B-Line<br />46. Xiong | Metallic Black | B-Line<br />47. xiaoboyzyang | Cafe Latte | FL Standard<br />48. ericmaxman | Tranquility Black | M-Line<br />49. khiat999 | Rock Blue | FL Standart<br /><!--SPOILER DIV--></div><!--SPOILER DIV--><br /><br />1.6 LIMITED RED<br /><!--SPOILER BEGIN--><div class="spoilertop" onClick="openClose('69876637318f24b102d4be2cf0827507')" style="font-weight: bold"><u>&raquo; Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... &laquo;</u></div><div class="spoilermain" id="69876637318f24b102d4be2cf0827507" style="display:none"><!--SPOILER END-->1. toucan<br />2. helangkawi<br />3. ZYen<br />4. ikean<br />5. Nexsus<br />6. ichigotai<br />7. Bojek<!--SPOILER DIV--></div><!--SPOILER DIV--><br /><br />1.3 SE<br /><!--SPOILER BEGIN--><div class="spoilertop" onClick="openClose('b33e53423f1baabb598433a8cef5cdfd')" style="font-weight: bold"><u>&raquo; Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... &laquo;</u></div><div class="spoilermain" id="b33e53423f1baabb598433a8cef5cdfd" style="display:none"><!--SPOILER END--><br />1. lonewolf86 | Solid white<br />2. Enclave Recruit | Solid white<br />3. solrey | Solid white<br />4. m3tabolic515 | Brilliant Red<br />5. niu_niu | Brilliant Red<br />6. LukeMjstc | Brilliant Red<br />7. Raxlin | Brilliant Red<br />8. narhazz | Brillant Red<br />9. isone | Brillant Red<br />10. claxxion | Brillant Red<br />11. AmeiN | Solid White<br />12. Kent Goh | Solid White <br /><!--SPOILER DIV--></div><!--SPOILER DIV--><!--SPOILER DIV--></div><!--SPOILER DIV--><br /><br /><span style='color:black'><span style='font-size:15pt;line-height:100%'><b>Proton Saga BLM price and specifications</b></span></span><br /><!--SPOILER BEGIN--><div class="spoilertop" onClick="openClose('01ea02d47d78ba35c507351564ddfdb3')" style="font-weight: bold"><u>&raquo; Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... &laquo;</u></div><div class="spoilermain" id="01ea02d47d78ba35c507351564ddfdb3" style="display:none"><!--SPOILER END--><br /><b>Price watch from Proton Edar</b><br /><br /><img src='http://images03.olx.com.my/ui/10/01/02/1293121794_150019902_2-NEW-PROTON-SAGA-FL-1300cc-MANUAL-STANDARD-VERSION-Klang.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /><br /><br />Proton Saga FL Standard 1.3MT (S) at RM37,548<br />Proton Saga FL Standard 1.3MT (M) at RM37,998<br />Proton Saga FL Standard 1.3AT (S) at RM40,548<br />Proton Saga FL Standard 1.3AT (M) at RM40,998<br />Proton Saga FL Executive 1.3MT (S) at RM40,248<br />Proton Saga FL Executive 1.3MT (M) at RM40,698<br />Proton Saga FL Executive 1.3AT (S) at RM42,848<br />Proton Saga FL Executive 1.3AT (M) at RM43,298<br /><br />*updated on March 2011, please check with <a href='http://www.proton-edar.com.my/saga-spec-5.aspx' target='_blank'>&gt;&gt;this&lt;&lt;</a><br /><br /><!--SPOILER DIV--></div><!--SPOILER DIV--><br /><br /><span style='color:black'><span style='font-size:15pt;line-height:100%'><b>Previous Proton Saga BLM Thread</b></span></span><br /><span style='color:red'><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/522644' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V1</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/643569' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V2</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/696396' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V3</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/726496' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V4</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/779496' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V5</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/876847' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V6</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/984100' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V7</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1075033' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V8</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1198140' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V9</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1322955' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V10</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1529764' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V11</a><br /></span><br /><br /><span style='color:black'><span style='font-size:15pt;line-height:100%'><b> JOIN THE BLM CLUB HERE</b></span></span><br /><a href='http://www.blmclub.co.cc' target='_blank'><img src='http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x69/siuyilee/1_899334956l.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /></a><br /><span style='font-size:16pt;line-height:100%'><b>JOIN US NOW, DON&#39;T WAIT&#33;&#33;</b></span>[/center]<br /><br />[center]<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'><b>BLMClub is now on FACEBOOK &amp; FRIENDSTER&#33;&#33;</b></span><br /><br /><a href='http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=71887551808' target='_blank'><img src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_pTRnPKZQ-Ps/SbPFmhESjOI/AAAAAAAAAEk/rHwurt4l-v0/s320/Facebook+small.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /></a><a href='http://www.friendster.com/blmclub' target='_blank'><img src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_pTRnPKZQ-Ps/SbPFm5-1BCI/AAAAAAAAAEs/G4Lrq40FvuE/s320/friendster+small.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /></a>[/center]<br /><b><br />Review and Comparison</b><br />If you are new in buying and selecting a car between myvi and BLM,<br />kindly read the nice info given by our CyberKewl ( a driver and owner for both myvi and BLM)<br /><br /><!--SPOILER BEGIN--><div class="spoilertop" onClick="openClose('25a5d9eebb37e17a67777eaa3e3be582')" style="font-weight: bold"><u>&raquo; Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... &laquo;</u></div><div class="spoilermain" id="25a5d9eebb37e17a67777eaa3e3be582" style="display:none"><!--SPOILER END-->Ok here we go. I&#39;ll start with some simple pros and cons first for each car.<br /><br />Myvi Pros<br />- Its from perodua, expect a high(er) level of QC compared to proton, they follow japanese work style and their service centres are good<br />- Good FC straight from the moment you get the car, low engine noise level, relatively decent NVH (noise,vibration,harshness) levels.<br />- Low maintenance, highest I ever paid for maintenance was about 300 + for a major service.<br />- Power wise, I have only driven 1.0, so I cannot comment much on power, but the 1.0 power is sufficient for city drive but on highways or hill tops, it really is underpowered. Able to go to genting without issues although you have to turn off the aircond and the drive up is really quite painful due to the power to weight ratio of 1.0. I think for 1.3 should not have any issues<br />- High end myvi has dual airbags, ABS, EBD and also optitron meter panel which is nice.<br />- Very very easy to drive and park the car.<br />- NO BOOT LAMP&#33;&#33; This is the drawback to this car although you could DIY, but there&#39;s no boot lamp at all. The daihatsu version has it, I have no idea why they didn&#39;t add this in.<br />- Overall good space and legroom even for tall people.<br />- 4 Power windows<br />- Has TWO trip meters. The trip meter is useful for checking distances or for calculating FC and you get two in myvi.<br />- Big center console area and very deep glove box for storage purposes. Big plus for those who like to keep stuff. Also, the storage area at the door is deep enough to fit your touch and go card or car park cards, etc).<br />- Huge side mirrors. I really liked myvi&#39;s huge side mirrors, they really cover a lot of the blind spots and you can see more of the vehicles that are coming from the left or right side of you.<br /><br />Myvi Cons<br />- Lousy stereo sound when compared with Saga. The different is HUGE.<br />- Poor handling on corners due to size of the car and height of it, feel like it wants to tip over.<br />- On high speeds of 120 KM/H above (i&#39;ve heard both 1.0 and 1.3 have this same issue, so its not about the engine power), the whole car feels floating and not stable at all, feel very dangerous. The light steering wheel doesn&#39;t help either, you have to hold on really tight with both hands at those speeds otherwise you will swerve to other lanes and end up in an accident<br />- Small boot space compared to Saga, but myvi has 60:40 foldable seats, so that helps a bit, but you wont be able to have passengers at the back seat if you do that.<br />- Dashboard materials easily get dirty and scratched (my old myvi got some dirt stains that couldnt come out with any cloth or detergent i used).<br />- Aircond not as cold as Saga&#39;s (my colleagues sat in my old myvi before, and then they sat in my saga, they said my new saga&#39;s aircond is cold - at the REAR seats). Basically from what I read, saga&#39;s aircond distribution around the car is good, even better than the previous version of vios (04/05 version).<br />- Lousy horn (i call it &quot;chicken&quot; horn). Some may not be bothered with this, but it matters to me, the horn is just too...girlish for me. Sounds like a &quot;polite&quot; way to say &quot;hoi&#33;&quot;....but that&#39;s just me.<br />- Expensive when considering that its a hatchback car, but no doubt its a good quality car with minimal problems.<br />- Myvi is basically what they call a &quot;butless&quot; car, when in an accident, the damage can be very severe for the passengers as the front and back of the car is short with no protection. Only the front dual airbags can save the front, but what about the back?<br /><br />Lets move on to saga<br />Saga Pros<br />- Good looking sedan car with Audi look-a-like front and mercedes c-class back. You will never be able to find another car that has this kind of look at this kind of price&#33;<br />- Good stock stereo. I was blown away by saga&#39;s stereo when comparing with myvi&#39;s, the sound is just so much different even with the stock player.<br />- Very stable car at high speeds (from what i&#39;ve been told). I only managed to go up to 120 km/h as I don&#39;t want to overstress the car and also I didn&#39;t have enough road space, so I couldn&#39;t go further than 120. But I can tell you, the car is really really stable.<br />- Excellent handling especially during corners, I managed to go through some pretty tight corners at 80km/h compared to the SAME corner in myvi about 50-60km/h. Saga feels very stable.<br />- Good suspension, the place where I stay in has lots of uneven roads, bumps and holes. Compared with myvi, the saga went through all that with relative ease and I didn&#39;t really feel them when i&#39;m in the car, compared with myvi.<br />- Large boot space (415 litres if not mistaken or 55+ durians..haha). Saga has a really large boot if you compare with myvi. However, there&#39;s no 60:40 foldable seats, which is a waste because that&#39;ll be a great addition.<br />- Aircond is really cold even on level 1 and the aircond distribution to the whole car is good, everyone in the car can feel the aircond which is great.<br />- Cheapest sedan car you will ever find in the market. You can get a M/T car for 39000 or A/T car for 41498 with one driver&#39;s airbag (m-line spec). Now that&#39;s value for money.<br />- Comparing with myvi, headroom is slightly less but legroom and interior width is more or less same as myvi. That is what my colleagues told me.<br />- I was initially under the impression that insulation in saga is worse than myvi, but I feel that the insulation (apart from engine noise) is pretty good if not better than myvi (surprising).<br />- Has a boot lamp&#33; Compared to myvi, saga AT LEAST has a boot lamp. Thank god proton didn&#39;t cut this one out.<br />- Front and back of Saga is much longer than the myvi hatchback, so logically when it comes to accidents, saga is safer DESPITE the fact that saga onyl has single airbags.<br /><br />Saga Cons<br />- No ABS,EBD or dual airbags (only single airbag) even at current high spec (m-line)<br />- High clutch for manual transmission (i&#39;m not sure if I should consider it as a con, previously when I drove myvi, the clutch release is really short, for saga I have to release it at least 80% before I can move the car or switch gears). I&#39;m somewhat used to it now though. The high clutch does however have one advantage - the chances of the &quot;engine dying&quot; is much much less.<br />- Proton&#39;s hit and miss QC issues still plague saga, so far my car is at the moment ok except for the handbrake which when i release it, i have to release it fully properly, otherwise it will go back up a bit, and the handbrake light goes on the meter panel. I&#39;ve been told that I could just adjust the screw (tighten it) but I have not done it yet.<br />- I&#39;ve been told that proton&#39;s service centres are lousy (depending on location) and that the maintenance cost is quite high. This is in comparison with perodua cars.<br />- FC wise I have not been able to fully test as from my understanding, proton cars don&#39;t have good FC when come out from factory. Curently my FC is not at all good, I&#39;ve pumped RM 45 and now my car has already gone 200 KM with only 2 bars remaining (I pumped the RM 45 petrol from shell when there was 1 bar remaining). This is left to be seen.<br />- Noisy campro engine. The campro engine is really really loud but my colleague who drives a satria neo says he likes the sound, feels more like a man&#39;s car.<br />- Only 2 front power windows and back power windows are old fashioned &quot;pully&quot; type like kancil and kelisa. Back windows don&#39;t go down completely due to the design of the car and was touted as a &quot;safety measure&quot; for kids. No issues to me though.<br />- No optitron meters for current highest spec of saga (m-line). However, I don&#39;t mind that and I really really liked the meter panel especially during night time, it has this cool glass-like feel at night. Not sure how to explain this.<br />- Saga only has 1 trip meter compared to myvi&#39;s two. To me, it is fine, but some may prefer two for FC calculation on 1 and the other for calculating distances from places.<br />- Small glove box and center console area (below single-din player), can&#39;t put that many things.<br />- The storage compartment on the doors in saga is not deep enough to fully cover the touch and go card or access cards. I find this quite irritating at time when i&#39;m driving, there&#39;s the sound of the plastic hitting against each other due to this. Myvi&#39;s one is deeper.<br />- Smaller sized side mirrors but sufficient enough to catch vehicles coming from the sides. Most sedan cars have similar sized mirrors.<br /><br />Ok that&#39;s pretty much all I can remember and think of. The above is the total UNBIASED different between the two cars as I have owned both of them. I&#39;m not paid by proton and just do this to allow the public to make an informed decision on which car to buy. Now after the review, I shall address everyone&#39;s most important question - which car to buy ? This is very simple. You should make the call. When I bought myvi back in 2005, saga was not out yet, otherwise I might have considered saga. If you want a car with a big boot, just go for saga without question. But put everything you see in both cars as what you want, then decide which car to buy. If you&#39;re ok with the small boot and the unstable floaty feel of myvi at high speeds and also the somewhat-overpriced hatchback, by all means, go ahead with myvi. Otherwise, go with saga. Please put QC into your consideration too. If you buy saga, please do NOT expect it to have QC as good as perodua, there&#39;s no way you will ever get that with a SEDAN CAR at that price. When I decided to buy saga, I told myself knowing full well that proton&#39;s QC is a hit and miss affair and that there&#39;s potential problems with the parts in the car, some noises in the car, etc, so I just choose to accept that fact. Because if I want a sedan car at that price, I can only go for proton. THere&#39;s no other way. BTW, myvi is actually a good city car due to its size and light steering. But if you want something in between, saga is better as it is more stable at higher speeds.<br /><br />So the conclusion is, know what you want and decide carefully. Do not regret after buying the car. There&#39;s been a lot of bashing on proton everywhere in forums, kopitiams, etc. I am one of them too, but after reading and fully understanding the issues, I decided to give proton a try. This is my FIRST proton car. I believe they&#39;ve come a long way with this car compared to the first saga. So I told myself, lets give them a chance and SEE FOR MYSELF rather than just blindly bashing proton. Oh and take note that FC for auto versions of both cars are different. Many said saga&#39;s FC (for auto especially) is pretty bad (but it depends on your right foot and also driving conditions like traffic jams, etc). Please do readups upon readups before you buy either car. Then align it with what you want in a car, then just buy it. Hope this helps.<br /><br />By CyberKewl<!--SPOILER DIV--></div><!--SPOILER DIV--><br /><br /><b><br />IAFM Info</b><br /><!--SPOILER BEGIN--><div class="spoilertop" onClick="openClose('d1a6cedbadcf75044a6568ca02839e14')" style="font-weight: bold"><u>&raquo; Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... &laquo;</u></div><div class="spoilermain" id="d1a6cedbadcf75044a6568ca02839e14" style="display:none"><!--SPOILER END-->[attachmentid=2084149]<!--SPOILER DIV--></div><!--SPOILER DIV-->` xshiro Car Clubs Tue, 08 Mar 2011 11:33:52 +0800 http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1543835 hi guys,<br /><br />my newly built engine just blew...one piston gone...clocked past 500km when it happens..just service my engine oil..<br /><br />i was cruising 120kmh on the highway...suddenly white smokes came out of the exhaust and i heard knokcing sound... <!--emo&:x--><img src='http://static.lowyat.net/style_emoticons/default/doh.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='doh.gif' /><!--endemo--> <br /><br />so now im puzzled, is it engine problem or driver problem...<br /><br />how to actually do the &#39;running in&#39; process<br /><br /> <!--emo&:hmm:--><img src='http://static.lowyat.net/style_emoticons/default/hmm.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='hmm.gif' /><!--endemo--> xshiro The Fast &amp; The Furious Mon, 30 Aug 2010 01:11:06 +0800 http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1529764 [center]<span style='font-size:16pt;line-height:100%'><b>PROTON SAGA BLMCLUB V11</b></span>[/center]<br /><br />[center]<img src='http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/3210/blmcc.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />[/center]<br /><br />[center]<span style='color:black'><span style='font-size:15pt;line-height:100%'><b>Proud owner of Proton Saga BLM in LYN</b></span></span><br /><!--SPOILER BEGIN--><div class="spoilertop" onClick="openClose('31db82c8457f95ac59f7756e15528c10')" style="font-weight: bold"><u>&raquo; Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... &laquo;</u></div><div class="spoilermain" id="31db82c8457f95ac59f7756e15528c10" style="display:none"><!--SPOILER END-->1.3 AUTO<br /><!--SPOILER BEGIN--><div class="spoilertop" onClick="openClose('5f6bf82245fc187366781cff9963b011')" style="font-weight: bold"><u>&raquo; Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... &laquo;</u></div><div class="spoilermain" id="5f6bf82245fc187366781cff9963b011" style="display:none"><!--SPOILER END-->1. hlyshgrsyd | Metallic Black - M-Line<br />2. MR_alien | Metallic Black - M-Line<br />3. wut2du | Metallic Black - M-Line<br />4. nagasie | Metallic Black - M-Line<br />5. -storm- | Metallic Black - M-Line<br />6. jeremymoke | Mountain Blue - M-line<br />7. PACINO | Mountain Blue - M-Line<br />8. hnrychong | Genetic Silver - M-Line<br />9. ching4ever | Genetic Silver - M-Line<br />10. Xp3rT | Genetic Silver - M-Line<br />11. babylck | Genetic Silver - M-Line<br />12. jimmy1977 | Metallic Black - M-Line<br />13. ProX | Genetic Silver - M-Line<br />14. bobby85 | Metalic Black - M-Line<br />15. azzamiken | Granite Gray - M-Line<br />16. zuraidi |Metallic Black - B-Line<br />17. Aishiteru^Suki | Metalic Black - B-Line<br />18. shinjite | Unknown Colour - Unknown Spec<br />19. cfng76 | Granite Gray - M-line<br />20. Bibby - Genetic Silver - M-line<br />21. four_add - Genetic Silver - M-line<br />22. Darkmage12 - Genetic Silver - M-line<br />23. xshiro - granite grey - M-line<br />24. ivanau88 - granite grey - M-line<br />24. night23 - Genetic Silver - M-line<br />25. dj2004 - Genetic Silver - M-line<br />26. nobita | Granite grey | M-line<br />27. ShuQy | Metallic black - B-line<br />28. console | Metallic black - B-line<br />29. MetalIronWood | Granite grey - M-line<br />30. lennon_87 | Metallic black - M-line<br />31. Newgen | metallic black - M-line<br />32. danny_sp15 | genetic silver - M-line<br />33. alwynchunn | metallic black - M-line<br />34. dreams_achiever | Metallic black - M-line<br />35. alexwsk | Chilli Red - M-line<br />36. charles899 | metallic black - M-line<br />37. jaya_pc87 | Genetic silver - M-line<br />38. wshiong89 |Genetic silver - M-line<br />39. mooze | Mountain blue - M-line<br />40. akkihiko | Metallic black - M-line<br />41. DarkTenno | Solid White - M-line<br />42. zarakiken | Genetic silver - M-line<br />43. sonotme | Solid white - M-line<br />44. klng72 | Blueberry tea - M-line<br />45. s[H]sIkuA | genetic silver - M-line<br />46. C2KBAS2005 | solid white - M-line<br />47. tednet | granite grey - M-line<br />48. nenekbodo | granite grey - B-line<br />49. alien3d | metalic black - B-line<br />50. Leo the Lion | solid white - M-line<br />51. aidlover | genetic silver - M-line<br />52. ayieazz | Solid White - M-line <br />53. Invader Zim | Genetic Silver - M-line <br />54. lemon~ | Metallic Black - B-Line<br />55. Aria_Sacho | Granite Grey | M-Line<br />56. adrianteddy | Metallic Black | M-Line <br />67. tHe^CuLpRit | Granite Grey | M-line<br />69. +Newbie+ | Granite Grey | M-Line<br />70. FormalCat | Granite Grey | M-Line<br />71. Koyok | Solid White | M-Line<br />72. gxianfu | Solid White | N-Line<br />73. x_kink | Solid White | M-line<br /><!--SPOILER DIV--></div><!--SPOILER DIV--><br /><br />1.3 MANUAL<br /><!--SPOILER BEGIN--><div class="spoilertop" onClick="openClose('14b3a5cbf069a5f7a4e2f9735c6732cd')" style="font-weight: bold"><u>&raquo; Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... &laquo;</u></div><div class="spoilermain" id="14b3a5cbf069a5f7a4e2f9735c6732cd" style="display:none"><!--SPOILER END-->1. voyager86 | Metallic Black - M-Line<br />2. lambofgod | Metallic Black - M-Line<br />3. hugo_chong | Metallic Black - M-line<br />4. suiteng | Mountain blue - M-Line<br />5. briggs | Genetic Silver - M-Line<br />6. SiuYi | Genetic Silver - B-Line<br />7. zenox0123 | Granite Grey - M-Line<br />8. nazri86a | Granite Grey - B-Line<br />9. GunMetalX | solid white - M-Line<br />10. Wuakaka | Metallic Black - B-Line<br />11. Conan86 | Granite Grey - B-Line<br />12. tcmean | Genetic Silver - M-Line<br />13. NicJolin | Metallic Black - M-Line<br />14. dB7 | Genetic Silver - M-Line<br />15. sAm fIsher | Solid White - M-Line<br />16. maevox | Solid White - M-Line<br />17. circus_clown | Granite Grey- M-line<br />18. torresism | Silver- M-line<br />19. Vincent_A8fm | Solid white - M-line<br />20. djboycalvin | Solid White - B-Line<br />21. limping | solid white - m liine<br />22. almostthere | Granite Grey - B Line<br />23. koboimalaysia | mountain blue - B Line<br />24. someone_stupid | granite grey - M-line<br />25. kaizou | solid white - M-line<br />26. seanlimys | genetic silver - M-Line<br />27. nern@h | genetic silver - M-Line<br />28. wypua | mountain blue - M-line<br />29. l3iTi | Granite Grey - M-Line<br />30. acronyx | genetic silver - M-line<br />31. CyberKewl | genetic silver - M-line<br />32. coolkwc | granite grey - B-line<br />33. yellow_label2207 | granite grey - M-line<br />34. maxizanc | genetic silver - B-line<br />35 azxer666 | metallic black - M-line<br />36. cressalve |solid white - M-line<br />37. green_apple granite grey - B-line<br />38. omara86 | solid white - N-line<br />39. sakit | Genetic Silver - M-Line <br />40. billy520 | Solid White - B-Line<br />41. Pman | Solid White - M-line<br />42. Pvd | Metallic Black | M-line<br />43. Beastboy | metallic black | M-line<br />44. sohailili | metallic black | m-line<br />45. jsnkok | Solid White | B-Line<br />46. Xiong | Metallic Black | B-Line<br />47. xiaoboyzyang | Cafe Latte | FL Standard<br /><!--SPOILER DIV--></div><!--SPOILER DIV--><br /><br />1.6 LIMITED RED<br /><!--SPOILER BEGIN--><div class="spoilertop" onClick="openClose('e675dfa82d452b10f6ac8132baf41eb4')" style="font-weight: bold"><u>&raquo; Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... &laquo;</u></div><div class="spoilermain" id="e675dfa82d452b10f6ac8132baf41eb4" style="display:none"><!--SPOILER END-->1. toucan<br />2. helangkawi<br />3. ZYen<br />4. ikean<br />5. Nexsus<br />6. ichigotai<!--SPOILER DIV--></div><!--SPOILER DIV--><br /><br />1.3 SE<br /><!--SPOILER BEGIN--><div class="spoilertop" onClick="openClose('8e1ad5859882c6d9e2025069f5605621')" style="font-weight: bold"><u>&raquo; Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... &laquo;</u></div><div class="spoilermain" id="8e1ad5859882c6d9e2025069f5605621" style="display:none"><!--SPOILER END--><br />1. lonewolf86 | Solid white<br />2. Enclave Recruit | Solid white<br />3. solrey | Solid white<br />4. m3tabolic515 | Brilliant Red<br />5. niu_niu | Brilliant Red<br />6. LukeMjstc | Brilliant Red<br />7. Raxlin | Brilliant Red<br />8. narhazz | Brillant Red<br />9. isone | Brillant Red<br />10. claxxion | Brillant Red<br />11. AmeiN | Solid White<br />12. Kent Goh | Solid White <br /><!--SPOILER DIV--></div><!--SPOILER DIV--><!--SPOILER DIV--></div><!--SPOILER DIV--><br /><br /><span style='color:black'><span style='font-size:15pt;line-height:100%'><b>Proton Saga BLM price and specifications</b></span></span><br /><!--SPOILER BEGIN--><div class="spoilertop" onClick="openClose('b18fed63496d68fe58b27716b3fe93c0')" style="font-weight: bold"><u>&raquo; Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... &laquo;</u></div><div class="spoilermain" id="b18fed63496d68fe58b27716b3fe93c0" style="display:none"><!--SPOILER END--><br /><b>Price watch from Proton Edar</b><br />NEW*<br />PROTON SAGA 1.3AT SE RM45,500.00<br />PROTON SAGA 1.3MT SE RM43,000.00<br />PROTON SAGA 1.6MT (S) B-LINE RM39,000.00<br />PROTON SAGA 1.3AT (M) M-LINE RM 42,998.00<br />PROTON SAGA 1.3AT (S) M-LINE RM 42,548.00<br />PROTON SAGA 1.3MT (M) M-LINE RM 40,498.00<br />PROTON SAGA 1.3MT (S) M-LINE RM 38,548.00<br />PROTON SAGA 1.3AT (M) B-LINE RM 39,498.00<br />PROTON SAGA 1.3AT (S) B-LINE RM 39,048.00<br />PROTON SAGA 1.3MT (M) B-LINE RM 36,498.00<br />PROTON SAGA 1.3MT (S) B-LINE RM 36,048.00<br />PROTON SAGA 1.3MT (S) N-LINE -no more in production-<br /><span style='color:red'>*updated on August 2009.if the list is wrongly updated, please check with <a href='http://www.proton-edar.com.my/index.php?page=newsaga' target='_blank'>&gt;&gt;this&lt;&lt;</a></span><br /><br /><b>Price hike due to extra accessories add-on for 1.3 BLM, such as:</b><br />Fender side signal<br />Trunk Lid Cover<br />Immobilizer<br />Tinted Window (Safety tint)<br />1st Aid Kit<br />Luggage Tray<br />Safety Triangle<br />Door Visor<br /><br /><!--SPOILER DIV--></div><!--SPOILER DIV--><br /><br /><span style='color:black'><span style='font-size:15pt;line-height:100%'><b>Previous Proton Saga BLM Thread</b></span></span><br /><span style='color:red'><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/522644' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V1</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/643569' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V2</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/696396' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V3</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/726496' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V4</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/779496' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V5</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/876847' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V6</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/984100' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V7</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1075033' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V8</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1198140' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V9</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1322955' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V10</a><br /></span><br /><br /><span style='color:black'><span style='font-size:15pt;line-height:100%'><b> JOIN THE BLM CLUB HERE</b></span></span><br /><a href='http://www.blmclub.co.cc' target='_blank'><img src='http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x69/siuyilee/1_899334956l.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /></a><br /><span style='font-size:16pt;line-height:100%'><b>JOIN US NOW, DON&#39;T WAIT&#33;&#33;</b></span>[/center]<br /><br />[center]<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'><b>BLMClub is now on FACEBOOK &amp; FRIENDSTER&#33;&#33;</b></span><br /><br /><a href='http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=71887551808' target='_blank'><img src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_pTRnPKZQ-Ps/SbPFmhESjOI/AAAAAAAAAEk/rHwurt4l-v0/s320/Facebook+small.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /></a><a href='http://www.friendster.com/blmclub' target='_blank'><img src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_pTRnPKZQ-Ps/SbPFm5-1BCI/AAAAAAAAAEs/G4Lrq40FvuE/s320/friendster+small.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /></a>[/center]<br /><b><br />Review and Comparison</b><br />If you are new in buying and selecting a car between myvi and BLM,<br />kindly read the nice info given by our CyberKewl ( a driver and owner for both myvi and BLM)<br /><br /><!--SPOILER BEGIN--><div class="spoilertop" onClick="openClose('3efb9f53541bb72bea2231083a543455')" style="font-weight: bold"><u>&raquo; Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... &laquo;</u></div><div class="spoilermain" id="3efb9f53541bb72bea2231083a543455" style="display:none"><!--SPOILER END-->Ok here we go. I&#39;ll start with some simple pros and cons first for each car.<br /><br />Myvi Pros<br />- Its from perodua, expect a high(er) level of QC compared to proton, they follow japanese work style and their service centres are good<br />- Good FC straight from the moment you get the car, low engine noise level, relatively decent NVH (noise,vibration,harshness) levels.<br />- Low maintenance, highest I ever paid for maintenance was about 300 + for a major service.<br />- Power wise, I have only driven 1.0, so I cannot comment much on power, but the 1.0 power is sufficient for city drive but on highways or hill tops, it really is underpowered. Able to go to genting without issues although you have to turn off the aircond and the drive up is really quite painful due to the power to weight ratio of 1.0. I think for 1.3 should not have any issues<br />- High end myvi has dual airbags, ABS, EBD and also optitron meter panel which is nice.<br />- Very very easy to drive and park the car.<br />- NO BOOT LAMP&#33;&#33; This is the drawback to this car although you could DIY, but there&#39;s no boot lamp at all. The daihatsu version has it, I have no idea why they didn&#39;t add this in.<br />- Overall good space and legroom even for tall people.<br />- 4 Power windows<br />- Has TWO trip meters. The trip meter is useful for checking distances or for calculating FC and you get two in myvi.<br />- Big center console area and very deep glove box for storage purposes. Big plus for those who like to keep stuff. Also, the storage area at the door is deep enough to fit your touch and go card or car park cards, etc).<br />- Huge side mirrors. I really liked myvi&#39;s huge side mirrors, they really cover a lot of the blind spots and you can see more of the vehicles that are coming from the left or right side of you.<br /><br />Myvi Cons<br />- Lousy stereo sound when compared with Saga. The different is HUGE.<br />- Poor handling on corners due to size of the car and height of it, feel like it wants to tip over.<br />- On high speeds of 120 KM/H above (i&#39;ve heard both 1.0 and 1.3 have this same issue, so its not about the engine power), the whole car feels floating and not stable at all, feel very dangerous. The light steering wheel doesn&#39;t help either, you have to hold on really tight with both hands at those speeds otherwise you will swerve to other lanes and end up in an accident<br />- Small boot space compared to Saga, but myvi has 60:40 foldable seats, so that helps a bit, but you wont be able to have passengers at the back seat if you do that.<br />- Dashboard materials easily get dirty and scratched (my old myvi got some dirt stains that couldnt come out with any cloth or detergent i used).<br />- Aircond not as cold as Saga&#39;s (my colleagues sat in my old myvi before, and then they sat in my saga, they said my new saga&#39;s aircond is cold - at the REAR seats). Basically from what I read, saga&#39;s aircond distribution around the car is good, even better than the previous version of vios (04/05 version).<br />- Lousy horn (i call it &quot;chicken&quot; horn). Some may not be bothered with this, but it matters to me, the horn is just too...girlish for me. Sounds like a &quot;polite&quot; way to say &quot;hoi&#33;&quot;....but that&#39;s just me.<br />- Expensive when considering that its a hatchback car, but no doubt its a good quality car with minimal problems.<br />- Myvi is basically what they call a &quot;butless&quot; car, when in an accident, the damage can be very severe for the passengers as the front and back of the car is short with no protection. Only the front dual airbags can save the front, but what about the back?<br /><br />Lets move on to saga<br />Saga Pros<br />- Good looking sedan car with Audi look-a-like front and mercedes c-class back. You will never be able to find another car that has this kind of look at this kind of price&#33;<br />- Good stock stereo. I was blown away by saga&#39;s stereo when comparing with myvi&#39;s, the sound is just so much different even with the stock player.<br />- Very stable car at high speeds (from what i&#39;ve been told). I only managed to go up to 120 km/h as I don&#39;t want to overstress the car and also I didn&#39;t have enough road space, so I couldn&#39;t go further than 120. But I can tell you, the car is really really stable.<br />- Excellent handling especially during corners, I managed to go through some pretty tight corners at 80km/h compared to the SAME corner in myvi about 50-60km/h. Saga feels very stable.<br />- Good suspension, the place where I stay in has lots of uneven roads, bumps and holes. Compared with myvi, the saga went through all that with relative ease and I didn&#39;t really feel them when i&#39;m in the car, compared with myvi.<br />- Large boot space (415 litres if not mistaken or 55+ durians..haha). Saga has a really large boot if you compare with myvi. However, there&#39;s no 60:40 foldable seats, which is a waste because that&#39;ll be a great addition.<br />- Aircond is really cold even on level 1 and the aircond distribution to the whole car is good, everyone in the car can feel the aircond which is great.<br />- Cheapest sedan car you will ever find in the market. You can get a M/T car for 39000 or A/T car for 41498 with one driver&#39;s airbag (m-line spec). Now that&#39;s value for money.<br />- Comparing with myvi, headroom is slightly less but legroom and interior width is more or less same as myvi. That is what my colleagues told me.<br />- I was initially under the impression that insulation in saga is worse than myvi, but I feel that the insulation (apart from engine noise) is pretty good if not better than myvi (surprising).<br />- Has a boot lamp&#33; Compared to myvi, saga AT LEAST has a boot lamp. Thank god proton didn&#39;t cut this one out.<br />- Front and back of Saga is much longer than the myvi hatchback, so logically when it comes to accidents, saga is safer DESPITE the fact that saga onyl has single airbags.<br /><br />Saga Cons<br />- No ABS,EBD or dual airbags (only single airbag) even at current high spec (m-line)<br />- High clutch for manual transmission (i&#39;m not sure if I should consider it as a con, previously when I drove myvi, the clutch release is really short, for saga I have to release it at least 80% before I can move the car or switch gears). I&#39;m somewhat used to it now though. The high clutch does however have one advantage - the chances of the &quot;engine dying&quot; is much much less.<br />- Proton&#39;s hit and miss QC issues still plague saga, so far my car is at the moment ok except for the handbrake which when i release it, i have to release it fully properly, otherwise it will go back up a bit, and the handbrake light goes on the meter panel. I&#39;ve been told that I could just adjust the screw (tighten it) but I have not done it yet.<br />- I&#39;ve been told that proton&#39;s service centres are lousy (depending on location) and that the maintenance cost is quite high. This is in comparison with perodua cars.<br />- FC wise I have not been able to fully test as from my understanding, proton cars don&#39;t have good FC when come out from factory. Curently my FC is not at all good, I&#39;ve pumped RM 45 and now my car has already gone 200 KM with only 2 bars remaining (I pumped the RM 45 petrol from shell when there was 1 bar remaining). This is left to be seen.<br />- Noisy campro engine. The campro engine is really really loud but my colleague who drives a satria neo says he likes the sound, feels more like a man&#39;s car.<br />- Only 2 front power windows and back power windows are old fashioned &quot;pully&quot; type like kancil and kelisa. Back windows don&#39;t go down completely due to the design of the car and was touted as a &quot;safety measure&quot; for kids. No issues to me though.<br />- No optitron meters for current highest spec of saga (m-line). However, I don&#39;t mind that and I really really liked the meter panel especially during night time, it has this cool glass-like feel at night. Not sure how to explain this.<br />- Saga only has 1 trip meter compared to myvi&#39;s two. To me, it is fine, but some may prefer two for FC calculation on 1 and the other for calculating distances from places.<br />- Small glove box and center console area (below single-din player), can&#39;t put that many things.<br />- The storage compartment on the doors in saga is not deep enough to fully cover the touch and go card or access cards. I find this quite irritating at time when i&#39;m driving, there&#39;s the sound of the plastic hitting against each other due to this. Myvi&#39;s one is deeper.<br />- Smaller sized side mirrors but sufficient enough to catch vehicles coming from the sides. Most sedan cars have similar sized mirrors.<br /><br />Ok that&#39;s pretty much all I can remember and think of. The above is the total UNBIASED different between the two cars as I have owned both of them. I&#39;m not paid by proton and just do this to allow the public to make an informed decision on which car to buy. Now after the review, I shall address everyone&#39;s most important question - which car to buy ? This is very simple. You should make the call. When I bought myvi back in 2005, saga was not out yet, otherwise I might have considered saga. If you want a car with a big boot, just go for saga without question. But put everything you see in both cars as what you want, then decide which car to buy. If you&#39;re ok with the small boot and the unstable floaty feel of myvi at high speeds and also the somewhat-overpriced hatchback, by all means, go ahead with myvi. Otherwise, go with saga. Please put QC into your consideration too. If you buy saga, please do NOT expect it to have QC as good as perodua, there&#39;s no way you will ever get that with a SEDAN CAR at that price. When I decided to buy saga, I told myself knowing full well that proton&#39;s QC is a hit and miss affair and that there&#39;s potential problems with the parts in the car, some noises in the car, etc, so I just choose to accept that fact. Because if I want a sedan car at that price, I can only go for proton. THere&#39;s no other way. BTW, myvi is actually a good city car due to its size and light steering. But if you want something in between, saga is better as it is more stable at higher speeds.<br /><br />So the conclusion is, know what you want and decide carefully. Do not regret after buying the car. There&#39;s been a lot of bashing on proton everywhere in forums, kopitiams, etc. I am one of them too, but after reading and fully understanding the issues, I decided to give proton a try. This is my FIRST proton car. I believe they&#39;ve come a long way with this car compared to the first saga. So I told myself, lets give them a chance and SEE FOR MYSELF rather than just blindly bashing proton. Oh and take note that FC for auto versions of both cars are different. Many said saga&#39;s FC (for auto especially) is pretty bad (but it depends on your right foot and also driving conditions like traffic jams, etc). Please do readups upon readups before you buy either car. Then align it with what you want in a car, then just buy it. 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DarkTenno | Solid White - M-line<br />42. zarakiken | Genetic silver - M-line<br />43. sonotme | Solid white - M-line<br />44. klng72 | Blueberry tea - M-line<br />45. s[H]sIkuA | genetic silver - M-line<br />46. C2KBAS2005 | solid white - M-line<br />47. tednet | granite grey - M-line<br />48. nenekbodo | granite grey - B-line<br />49. alien3d | metalic black - B-line<br />50. Leo the Lion | solid white - M-line<br />51. aidlover | genetic silver - M-line<br />52. ayieazz | Solid White - M-line <br />53. Invader Zim | Genetic Silver - M-line <br />54. lemon~ | Metallic Black - B-Line<br />55. Aria_Sacho | Granite Grey | M-Line<br />56. adrianteddy | Metallic Black | M-Line <br />67. tHe^CuLpRit | Granite Grey | M-line<br />69. +Newbie+ | Granite Grey | M-Line<br />70. FormalCat | Granite Grey | M-Line<br />71. Koyok | Solid White | M-Line<br /><!--SPOILER DIV--></div><!--SPOILER DIV--><br /><br />1.3 MANUAL<br /><!--SPOILER BEGIN--><div class="spoilertop" onClick="openClose('c5c7b5062a525d64cfd98873302b8c5b')" style="font-weight: bold"><u>&raquo; Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... &laquo;</u></div><div class="spoilermain" id="c5c7b5062a525d64cfd98873302b8c5b" style="display:none"><!--SPOILER END-->1. voyager86 | Metallic Black - M-Line<br />2. lambofgod | Metallic Black - M-Line<br />3. hugo_chong | Metallic Black - M-line<br />4. suiteng | Mountain blue - M-Line<br />5. briggs | Genetic Silver - M-Line<br />6. SiuYi | Genetic Silver - B-Line<br />7. zenox0123 | Granite Grey - M-Line<br />8. nazri86a | Granite Grey - B-Line<br />9. GunMetalX | solid white - M-Line<br />10. Wuakaka | Metallic Black - B-Line<br />11. Conan86 | Granite Grey - B-Line<br />12. tcmean | Genetic Silver - M-Line<br />13. NicJolin | Metallic Black - M-Line<br />14. dB7 | Genetic Silver - M-Line<br />15. sAm fIsher | Solid White - M-Line<br />16. maevox | Solid White - M-Line<br />17. circus_clown | Granite Grey- M-line<br />18. torresism | Silver- M-line<br />19. Vincent_A8fm | Solid white - M-line<br />20. djboycalvin | Solid White - B-Line<br />21. limping | solid white - m liine<br />22. almostthere | Granite Grey - B Line<br />23. koboimalaysia | mountain blue - B Line<br />24. someone_stupid | granite grey - M-line<br />25. kaizou | solid white - M-line<br />26. seanlimys | genetic silver - M-Line<br />27. nern@h | genetic silver - M-Line<br />28. wypua | mountain blue - M-line<br />29. l3iTi | Granite Grey - M-Line<br />30. acronyx | genetic silver - M-line<br />31. CyberKewl | genetic silver - M-line<br />32. coolkwc | granite grey - B-line<br />33. yellow_label2207 | granite grey - M-line<br />34. maxizanc | genetic silver - B-line<br />35 azxer666 | metallic black - M-line<br />36. cressalve |solid white - M-line<br />37. green_apple granite grey - B-line<br />38. omara86 | solid white - N-line<br />39. sakit | Genetic Silver - M-Line <br />40. billy520 | Solid White - B-Line<br />41. Pman | Solid White - M-line<br />42. Pvd | Metallic Black | M-line<br />43. Beastboy | metallic black | M-line<br />44. sohailili | metallic black | m-line<br />45. jsnkok | Solid White | B-Line<br />46. Xiong | Metallic Black | B-Line<br /><!--SPOILER DIV--></div><!--SPOILER DIV--><br /><br />1.6 LIMITED RED<br /><!--SPOILER BEGIN--><div class="spoilertop" onClick="openClose('8af2153cfcf036882046667b74286638')" style="font-weight: bold"><u>&raquo; Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... &laquo;</u></div><div class="spoilermain" id="8af2153cfcf036882046667b74286638" style="display:none"><!--SPOILER END-->1. toucan<br />2. helangkawi<br />3. ZYen<br />4. ikean<br />5. Nexsus<br />6. ichigotai<!--SPOILER DIV--></div><!--SPOILER DIV--><br /><br />1.3 SE<br /><!--SPOILER BEGIN--><div class="spoilertop" onClick="openClose('ccba117508835f52575ebed9cfeec74a')" style="font-weight: bold"><u>&raquo; Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... &laquo;</u></div><div class="spoilermain" id="ccba117508835f52575ebed9cfeec74a" style="display:none"><!--SPOILER END--><br />1. lonewolf86 | Solid white<br />2. 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AmeiN | Solid White<br /><!--SPOILER DIV--></div><!--SPOILER DIV--><!--SPOILER DIV--></div><!--SPOILER DIV--><br /><br /><span style='color:black'><span style='font-size:15pt;line-height:100%'><b>Proton Saga BLM price and specifications</b></span></span><br /><!--SPOILER BEGIN--><div class="spoilertop" onClick="openClose('8cd41779475af56a89a36d2f8db24c8a')" style="font-weight: bold"><u>&raquo; Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... &laquo;</u></div><div class="spoilermain" id="8cd41779475af56a89a36d2f8db24c8a" style="display:none"><!--SPOILER END--><br /><b>Price watch from Proton Edar</b><br />NEW*<br />PROTON SAGA 1.3AT SE RM45,500.00<br />PROTON SAGA 1.3MT SE RM43,000.00<br />PROTON SAGA 1.6MT (S) B-LINE RM39,000.00<br />PROTON SAGA 1.3AT (M) M-LINE RM 42,998.00<br />PROTON SAGA 1.3AT (S) M-LINE RM 42,548.00<br />PROTON SAGA 1.3MT (M) M-LINE RM 40,498.00<br />PROTON SAGA 1.3MT (S) M-LINE RM 38,548.00<br />PROTON SAGA 1.3AT (M) B-LINE RM 39,498.00<br />PROTON SAGA 1.3AT (S) B-LINE RM 39,048.00<br />PROTON SAGA 1.3MT (M) B-LINE RM 36,498.00<br />PROTON SAGA 1.3MT (S) B-LINE RM 36,048.00<br />PROTON SAGA 1.3MT (S) N-LINE -no more in production-<br /><span style='color:red'>*updated on August 2009.if the list is wrongly updated, please check with <a href='http://www.proton-edar.com.my/index.php?page=newsaga' target='_blank'>&gt;&gt;this&lt;&lt;</a></span><br /><br /><b>Price hike due to extra accessories add-on for 1.3 BLM, such as:</b><br />Fender side signal<br />Trunk Lid Cover<br />Immobilizer<br />Tinted Window (Safety tint)<br />1st Aid Kit<br />Luggage Tray<br />Safety Triangle<br />Door Visor<br /><br /><!--SPOILER DIV--></div><!--SPOILER DIV--><br /><br /><span style='color:black'><span style='font-size:15pt;line-height:100%'><b>Previous Proton Saga BLM Thread</b></span></span><br /><span style='color:red'><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/522644' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V1</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/643569' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V2</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/696396' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V3</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/726496' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V4</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/779496' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V5</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/876847' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V6</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/984100' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V7</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1075033' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V8</a><br /><a href='http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1198140' target='_blank'>PROTON SAGA BLM V9</a><br /></span><br /><br /><span style='color:black'><span style='font-size:15pt;line-height:100%'><b> JOIN THE BLM CLUB HERE</b></span></span><br /><a href='http://www.blmclub.co.cc' target='_blank'><img src='http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x69/siuyilee/1_899334956l.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /></a><br /><span style='font-size:16pt;line-height:100%'><b>JOIN US NOW, DON&#39;T WAIT&#33;&#33;</b></span>[/center]<br /><br />[center]<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'><b>BLMClub is now on FACEBOOK &amp; FRIENDSTER&#33;&#33;</b></span><br /><br /><a href='http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=71887551808' target='_blank'><img src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_pTRnPKZQ-Ps/SbPFmhESjOI/AAAAAAAAAEk/rHwurt4l-v0/s320/Facebook+small.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /></a><a href='http://www.friendster.com/blmclub' target='_blank'><img src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_pTRnPKZQ-Ps/SbPFm5-1BCI/AAAAAAAAAEs/G4Lrq40FvuE/s320/friendster+small.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /></a>[/center]<br /><b><br />Review and Comparison</b><br />If you are new in buying and selecting a car between myvi and BLM,<br />kindly read the nice info given by our CyberKewl ( a driver and owner for both myvi and BLM)<br /><br /><!--SPOILER BEGIN--><div class="spoilertop" onClick="openClose('8a23a6286233581ddb9fe31499ef33d0')" style="font-weight: bold"><u>&raquo; Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... &laquo;</u></div><div class="spoilermain" id="8a23a6286233581ddb9fe31499ef33d0" style="display:none"><!--SPOILER END-->Ok here we go. I&#39;ll start with some simple pros and cons first for each car.<br /><br />Myvi Pros<br />- Its from perodua, expect a high(er) level of QC compared to proton, they follow japanese work style and their service centres are good<br />- Good FC straight from the moment you get the car, low engine noise level, relatively decent NVH (noise,vibration,harshness) levels.<br />- Low maintenance, highest I ever paid for maintenance was about 300 + for a major service.<br />- Power wise, I have only driven 1.0, so I cannot comment much on power, but the 1.0 power is sufficient for city drive but on highways or hill tops, it really is underpowered. Able to go to genting without issues although you have to turn off the aircond and the drive up is really quite painful due to the power to weight ratio of 1.0. I think for 1.3 should not have any issues<br />- High end myvi has dual airbags, ABS, EBD and also optitron meter panel which is nice.<br />- Very very easy to drive and park the car.<br />- NO BOOT LAMP&#33;&#33; This is the drawback to this car although you could DIY, but there&#39;s no boot lamp at all. The daihatsu version has it, I have no idea why they didn&#39;t add this in.<br />- Overall good space and legroom even for tall people.<br />- 4 Power windows<br />- Has TWO trip meters. The trip meter is useful for checking distances or for calculating FC and you get two in myvi.<br />- Big center console area and very deep glove box for storage purposes. Big plus for those who like to keep stuff. Also, the storage area at the door is deep enough to fit your touch and go card or car park cards, etc).<br />- Huge side mirrors. I really liked myvi&#39;s huge side mirrors, they really cover a lot of the blind spots and you can see more of the vehicles that are coming from the left or right side of you.<br /><br />Myvi Cons<br />- Lousy stereo sound when compared with Saga. The different is HUGE.<br />- Poor handling on corners due to size of the car and height of it, feel like it wants to tip over.<br />- On high speeds of 120 KM/H above (i&#39;ve heard both 1.0 and 1.3 have this same issue, so its not about the engine power), the whole car feels floating and not stable at all, feel very dangerous. The light steering wheel doesn&#39;t help either, you have to hold on really tight with both hands at those speeds otherwise you will swerve to other lanes and end up in an accident<br />- Small boot space compared to Saga, but myvi has 60:40 foldable seats, so that helps a bit, but you wont be able to have passengers at the back seat if you do that.<br />- Dashboard materials easily get dirty and scratched (my old myvi got some dirt stains that couldnt come out with any cloth or detergent i used).<br />- Aircond not as cold as Saga&#39;s (my colleagues sat in my old myvi before, and then they sat in my saga, they said my new saga&#39;s aircond is cold - at the REAR seats). Basically from what I read, saga&#39;s aircond distribution around the car is good, even better than the previous version of vios (04/05 version).<br />- Lousy horn (i call it &quot;chicken&quot; horn). Some may not be bothered with this, but it matters to me, the horn is just too...girlish for me. Sounds like a &quot;polite&quot; way to say &quot;hoi&#33;&quot;....but that&#39;s just me.<br />- Expensive when considering that its a hatchback car, but no doubt its a good quality car with minimal problems.<br />- Myvi is basically what they call a &quot;butless&quot; car, when in an accident, the damage can be very severe for the passengers as the front and back of the car is short with no protection. Only the front dual airbags can save the front, but what about the back?<br /><br />Lets move on to saga<br />Saga Pros<br />- Good looking sedan car with Audi look-a-like front and mercedes c-class back. You will never be able to find another car that has this kind of look at this kind of price&#33;<br />- Good stock stereo. I was blown away by saga&#39;s stereo when comparing with myvi&#39;s, the sound is just so much different even with the stock player.<br />- Very stable car at high speeds (from what i&#39;ve been told). I only managed to go up to 120 km/h as I don&#39;t want to overstress the car and also I didn&#39;t have enough road space, so I couldn&#39;t go further than 120. But I can tell you, the car is really really stable.<br />- Excellent handling especially during corners, I managed to go through some pretty tight corners at 80km/h compared to the SAME corner in myvi about 50-60km/h. Saga feels very stable.<br />- Good suspension, the place where I stay in has lots of uneven roads, bumps and holes. Compared with myvi, the saga went through all that with relative ease and I didn&#39;t really feel them when i&#39;m in the car, compared with myvi.<br />- Large boot space (415 litres if not mistaken or 55+ durians..haha). Saga has a really large boot if you compare with myvi. However, there&#39;s no 60:40 foldable seats, which is a waste because that&#39;ll be a great addition.<br />- Aircond is really cold even on level 1 and the aircond distribution to the whole car is good, everyone in the car can feel the aircond which is great.<br />- Cheapest sedan car you will ever find in the market. You can get a M/T car for 39000 or A/T car for 41498 with one driver&#39;s airbag (m-line spec). Now that&#39;s value for money.<br />- Comparing with myvi, headroom is slightly less but legroom and interior width is more or less same as myvi. That is what my colleagues told me.<br />- I was initially under the impression that insulation in saga is worse than myvi, but I feel that the insulation (apart from engine noise) is pretty good if not better than myvi (surprising).<br />- Has a boot lamp&#33; Compared to myvi, saga AT LEAST has a boot lamp. Thank god proton didn&#39;t cut this one out.<br />- Front and back of Saga is much longer than the myvi hatchback, so logically when it comes to accidents, saga is safer DESPITE the fact that saga onyl has single airbags.<br /><br />Saga Cons<br />- No ABS,EBD or dual airbags (only single airbag) even at current high spec (m-line)<br />- High clutch for manual transmission (i&#39;m not sure if I should consider it as a con, previously when I drove myvi, the clutch release is really short, for saga I have to release it at least 80% before I can move the car or switch gears). I&#39;m somewhat used to it now though. The high clutch does however have one advantage - the chances of the &quot;engine dying&quot; is much much less.<br />- Proton&#39;s hit and miss QC issues still plague saga, so far my car is at the moment ok except for the handbrake which when i release it, i have to release it fully properly, otherwise it will go back up a bit, and the handbrake light goes on the meter panel. I&#39;ve been told that I could just adjust the screw (tighten it) but I have not done it yet.<br />- I&#39;ve been told that proton&#39;s service centres are lousy (depending on location) and that the maintenance cost is quite high. This is in comparison with perodua cars.<br />- FC wise I have not been able to fully test as from my understanding, proton cars don&#39;t have good FC when come out from factory. Curently my FC is not at all good, I&#39;ve pumped RM 45 and now my car has already gone 200 KM with only 2 bars remaining (I pumped the RM 45 petrol from shell when there was 1 bar remaining). This is left to be seen.<br />- Noisy campro engine. The campro engine is really really loud but my colleague who drives a satria neo says he likes the sound, feels more like a man&#39;s car.<br />- Only 2 front power windows and back power windows are old fashioned &quot;pully&quot; type like kancil and kelisa. Back windows don&#39;t go down completely due to the design of the car and was touted as a &quot;safety measure&quot; for kids. No issues to me though.<br />- No optitron meters for current highest spec of saga (m-line). However, I don&#39;t mind that and I really really liked the meter panel especially during night time, it has this cool glass-like feel at night. Not sure how to explain this.<br />- Saga only has 1 trip meter compared to myvi&#39;s two. To me, it is fine, but some may prefer two for FC calculation on 1 and the other for calculating distances from places.<br />- Small glove box and center console area (below single-din player), can&#39;t put that many things.<br />- The storage compartment on the doors in saga is not deep enough to fully cover the touch and go card or access cards. I find this quite irritating at time when i&#39;m driving, there&#39;s the sound of the plastic hitting against each other due to this. Myvi&#39;s one is deeper.<br />- Smaller sized side mirrors but sufficient enough to catch vehicles coming from the sides. Most sedan cars have similar sized mirrors.<br /><br />Ok that&#39;s pretty much all I can remember and think of. The above is the total UNBIASED different between the two cars as I have owned both of them. I&#39;m not paid by proton and just do this to allow the public to make an informed decision on which car to buy. Now after the review, I shall address everyone&#39;s most important question - which car to buy ? This is very simple. You should make the call. When I bought myvi back in 2005, saga was not out yet, otherwise I might have considered saga. If you want a car with a big boot, just go for saga without question. But put everything you see in both cars as what you want, then decide which car to buy. If you&#39;re ok with the small boot and the unstable floaty feel of myvi at high speeds and also the somewhat-overpriced hatchback, by all means, go ahead with myvi. Otherwise, go with saga. Please put QC into your consideration too. If you buy saga, please do NOT expect it to have QC as good as perodua, there&#39;s no way you will ever get that with a SEDAN CAR at that price. When I decided to buy saga, I told myself knowing full well that proton&#39;s QC is a hit and miss affair and that there&#39;s potential problems with the parts in the car, some noises in the car, etc, so I just choose to accept that fact. Because if I want a sedan car at that price, I can only go for proton. THere&#39;s no other way. BTW, myvi is actually a good city car due to its size and light steering. But if you want something in between, saga is better as it is more stable at higher speeds.<br /><br />So the conclusion is, know what you want and decide carefully. Do not regret after buying the car. There&#39;s been a lot of bashing on proton everywhere in forums, kopitiams, etc. I am one of them too, but after reading and fully understanding the issues, I decided to give proton a try. This is my FIRST proton car. I believe they&#39;ve come a long way with this car compared to the first saga. So I told myself, lets give them a chance and SEE FOR MYSELF rather than just blindly bashing proton. Oh and take note that FC for auto versions of both cars are different. Many said saga&#39;s FC (for auto especially) is pretty bad (but it depends on your right foot and also driving conditions like traffic jams, etc). Please do readups upon readups before you buy either car. Then align it with what you want in a car, then just buy it. Hope this helps.<br /><br />By CyberKewl<!--SPOILER DIV--></div><!--SPOILER DIV--><br /><br /><b><br />IAFM Info</b><br /><!--SPOILER BEGIN--><div class="spoilertop" onClick="openClose('cef433bfc47f67623537b51d3532077f')" style="font-weight: bold"><u>&raquo; Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... &laquo;</u></div><div class="spoilermain" id="cef433bfc47f67623537b51d3532077f" style="display:none"><!--SPOILER END-->[attachmentid=1553268][attachmentid=1442174]<!--SPOILER DIV--></div><!--SPOILER DIV--> xshiro Car Clubs Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:04:07 +0800 http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1059094 Phoenix is a French alternative rock band started during their childhood by Thomas Mars, Deck D&#39;Arcy, Christian Mazzalai and Laurent Brancowitz in the affluent suburb of Versailles, in the same culture that produced late-&#39;90s bands such as Air and Daft Punk.<br /><br /><img src='http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x110/hugh_037/phoenix_band.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /><br /><br />2009 album - Wolfgang Amadeus Phoenix <br /><br />Track listing<br /><br /> 1. &quot;Lisztomania&quot; - 4:09<br /> 2. &quot;1901&quot; - 3:18<br /> 3. &quot;Fences&quot; - 3:50<br /> 4. &quot;Love Like a Sunset Part I&quot; - 5:38<br /> 5. &quot;Love Like a Sunset Part II&quot; - 1:56<br /> 6. &quot;Lasso&quot; - 2:50<br /> 7. &quot;Rome&quot; - 4:49<br /> 8. &quot;Countdown&quot; - 4:00<br /> 9. &quot;Girlfriend&quot; - 3:24<br /> 10. &quot;Armistice&quot; - 3:06<br /><br /><br />latest songs<br />[YOUTUBE]4BJDNw7o6so[/YOUTUBE]<br /><br />[YOUTUBE]fIdQfYzOsdQ[/YOUTUBE]<br /><br />old hits<br /><br />[YOUTUBE]7wORWr4HVEU[/YOUTUBE]<br /><br />[YOUTUBE]BjHURhckiI8[/YOUTUBE]<br /><br />[YOUTUBE]M2wr8Y8blcs[/YOUTUBE] xshiro Movies &amp; Music Thu, 11 Jun 2009 01:34:44 +0800 http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1059092 closed xshiro Movies &amp; Music Thu, 11 Jun 2009 01:31:26 +0800 http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1059091 closed xshiro Movies &amp; Music Thu, 11 Jun 2009 01:29:57 +0800 http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1059090 close xshiro Movies &amp; Music Thu, 11 Jun 2009 01:29:03 +0800 http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1058395 Any the radio department fans? <br /><br />The Radio Dept. is an indie pop band from Lund, Sweden.<br /><br />little history<br /><br /><!--SPOILER BEGIN--><div class="spoilertop" onClick="openClose('99fda4a24834940c62bcd32aee0a43a1')" style="font-weight: bold"><u>&raquo; Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... &laquo;</u></div><div class="spoilermain" id="99fda4a24834940c62bcd32aee0a43a1" style="display:none"><!--SPOILER END-->The band was conceived in 1995 by schoolmates Elin Almered and Johan Duncanson, who named the group after a gas-station-turned-radio-repair-shop called &quot;Radioavdelningen&quot; (The Radio Department in Swedish). However, Almered and Duncanson soon stopped playing music together, putting the band on hiatus. The group was reborn three years later, in 1998, when Duncanson starting making music with Martin Larsson. In 2001, Larsson&#39;s then girlfriend Lisa Carlberg joined the group on bass, followed by Per Blomgren on drums and Daniel Tjäder on keyboards.[1][2]<br /><br />Later in 2001, the band sent recordings to music magazine Sonic, receiving a positive review and being featured on the free CD sampler that came with the magazine. Labrador Records heard them on the disc and signed them to their label. Per Blomgren left the group prior to the release of their album Lesser Matters and Lisa Carlberg departed after the release of This Past Week EP. According to their website, the band decided to use digital drum tracks and stated that for their second album they were &quot;taking a new direction ... which wouldn&#39;t require a member that played bass guitar.&quot;[3]<br /><br />The group enjoyed more widespread recognition after three tracks (&quot;Pulling Our Weight&quot; from the Pulling Our Weight EP, &quot;I Don&#39;t Like It Like This&quot; from the This Past Week EP, and &quot;Keen on Boys&quot; from Lesser Matters) were included on the soundtrack for Sofia Coppola&#39;s film Marie Antoinette.<br /><br />Early 2006 saw the release of their second album Pet Grief. The distorted buzz that adorned most of their debut was now replaced by synthesizer. The album didn&#39;t reach the rest of Europe, including the UK until later in 2006. Unfortunately, with little touring support there was no real buzz behind Pet Grief. Reviews were mixed. NME rated Pet Grief with a 7 out of 10, but other magazines were not quite so kind. However, Pet Grief did find popularity amongst a growing fan base throughout the world, thanks to the Internet. The album is available in the US through Darla and through their US distribution deal with Labrador.<br /><br />By the end of 2006, a brand new track &quot;We Made the Team&quot; was released as the 100th release on the Labrador. It was also the final track on the Labrador&#39;s labels Compilation of 100 tracks released at the beginning of 2007. Although all UK tour dates but one in London were recently canceled, the band is said to be working on a new album.[4]<br /><br />The band released a new EP in May 2008 called &quot;Freddie And The Trojan Horse&quot;, including the songs &quot;Freddie And The Trojan Horse&quot;, &quot;Closing Scene&quot; and &quot;The Room, Tarzana&quot; on Matador Records. 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